Combustion in 4.0

[Swizzle]

Oh my god, just go to a dummy, put up one Living Bomb then use Combustion. Then, put up two living bombs and use combustion and compare the damage. Mafs is hard yo.

[Pandorox]

Edit: just saw your post above. no, on ptr it only combines the dots on your primary target.

Thanks you answered my question in one sentence. You can has cookie.

---------- Post added 2010-10-08 at 12:36 PM ----------

Oh my god, just go to a dummy, put up one Living Bomb then use Combustion. Then, put up two living bombs and use combustion and compare the damage. Mafs is hard yo.

I had tried that already and either MSBT was buggin out or something but it only showed Combustion ticking for one dmg but my dps had increased more then when I did it with just one LB

[Maharishi]

Thanks you answered my question in one sentence. You can has cookie.

---------- Post added 2010-10-08 at 12:36 PM ----------



I had tried that already and either MSBT was buggin out or something but it only showed Combustion ticking for one dmg but my dps had increased more then when I did it with just one LB

err 2 lbs (on two targets) + combust > 1lb + combust ?

[Potato Bus]

err 2 lbs (on two targets) + combust > 1lb + combust ?

No. It only considers the DoTs you applied to the target of your combustion cast. You could Living Bomb 3 mobs and cast combustion on a 4th and the LB damage WOULD NOT BE APPLIED to the target of combustion.

[Skarrd]

No. It only considers the DoTs you applied to the target of your combustion cast. You could Living Bomb 3 mobs and cast combustion on a 4th and the LB damage WOULD NOT BE APPLIED to the target of combustion.

I think what he meant was "no shit your dps went up, you had an extra LB going."

[The Polarbear]

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[litledude]

I feel all warm and fuzzy thinking about using Impact with Pyroblast, Ignite, LB, and the combustion debuff up.

[Deleted]

So call me a dumb shit, I'm very curious about something.

So lets say, I throw an LB on my target. Then I throw a Combustion in there.

Does the target still explode? Is the LB changed into the combustion Dot, or does it simply copy the LB dot, keeping the origional LB on the target (Letting that explode, and the other one just ticks over)

Holy shit thats hard to ask/explain..

[Swizzle]

Combustion just adds a new DoT on the target that deals the same damage per time as any DoTs on the target when you cast it, it does nothing to the DoTs themselves.

[Deleted]

Combustion just adds a new DoT on the target that deals the same damage per time as any DoTs on the target when you cast it, it does nothing to the DoTs themselves.

Excellent Smithers...

[Strikesuit]

If I understand the mechanic, this example should work.

You have the following DOTs on the target:

LB for 2k
Fireball 1k
Pyroblast 1k
Ignite 6k

Combustion adds all of the dots together and creates a new dot that ticks for 10k.

Will be interesting to see the theorycrafting on timing it with respect to Ignite.

[takolin]

If I understand the mechanic, this example should work.

You have the following DOTs on the target:

LB for 2k
Fireball 1k
Pyroblast 1k
Ignite 6k

Combustion adds all of the dots together and creates a new dot that ticks for 10k.

Will be interesting to see the theorycrafting on timing it with respect to Ignite.

From what I understand: ignite won't tick as hard as it does on live due to the fact that it'll tick every 2 seconds regardless of the fact you critted again before it could tick. So I assume you'd want to use it when the following are true:

LB on target
3 stack of FFB (assuming you have it glyphed)
And after you casted another FB/FFB after you used HS. The reason why you want another spell is because pyroblast has a travel time and you want to ensure that you have the pyro dot on the target.

This is for lvl 80. From what I've read on the beta forums and EJ, at 85 you most likely don't want to wait for a HS proc as our crit rated will be gutted at the 1st tier of raiding. So it might be better to use it when you have:

LB
FFBx3
ignite

[Blueskies]

I'm really not looking forwards towards the new Combustion, it's hugely better than the current one, but it's also hugely more RNG. Right, Fire needs more RNG.

I would also have to get a Ignite Tracker, ugh.

[TacTican]

From what I understand: ignite won't tick as hard as it does on live due to the fact that it'll tick every 2 seconds regardless of the fact you critted again before it could tick.

Wait, so ... our days of Ignites being munched are over at last?

(rushes off to the PTR to find out if this is true)

[chrion]

But you put them on the same guy... I'm asking if you put LB on another guy and then use Combustion on a totally new guy will the LB dot be put in on the new guy

Not that I can tell, If you press the combustion KB on a guy with none of your dots on him it wont go off.

[takolin]

Wait, so ... our days of Ignites being munched are over at last?

(rushes off to the PTR to find out if this is true)

Munching won't be gone as it's caused when 2 crits hit at the same time: usually pyro or FB with a LB crit which has nothing to do with the plan that dots keep ticking even if you refresh it to make clipping DoTs less harsh than it is on live.

Damage from ignite should be equal, but less spiky. So instead of the huge "sporadic" ticks, you get a constant stream of smaller ticks.

[Swizzle]

Your ignite will deal more overall damage than it does now, but the individual ticks won't be as high as they are on live.

[Blueskies]

Wait, Ignite is going to be more normalized? Yes!

[Slavrick]

Your target get's 2x the dots YOU have put on it

this is pretty much what it is doing.