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    Quote Originally Posted by Baracuda1337 View Post
    It's supposed to be low, it got nerfed because they want classes to do less passive dmg(poisions/seals).

    And perhaps the crit part can be fixed?
    I hope they fix other stuff with paladin before they start looking at SoR not being able to crit tbh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonkaden View Post
    It was pretty nuts back in vanilla. If you got the proc and it crit, you would devastate whoever you hit with it lol. It is iconic. You must have not played in vanilla at all lol. Its just about as iconic as Reck Bombing.
    Agreed. When i think of pallys in vanilla, SoComm 1 shotting people is what i'm reminded of. We'll that and wearing the Devout Robe to MC raids along with other cloth/leather/mail looking like a fool. /shudder.

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    Actually it's not the same...

    Seals of Command: Your seals also deal 7% weapon damage each time you swing. In addition, your Seal of Righteousness now hits up to 2 additional targets.

    Old Seal of Command: When used with attacks or abilities that strike a single target, this additional Holy damage will strike up to 2 additional targets.

    Edit: I missed the fact that now Seal of Righteousness works as Command, well it's enough like the old one if it does about the same damage. I assumed SoR procs from same attacks.
    Last edited by mmoc789695daa4; 2010-10-11 at 02:24 PM.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Renagade Raven View Post
    I know, I had just one Ret pally friend, all others were holy =?
    He could destroy stuff... in PvP at least.
    But I don't remember it doing aoe damage in Vanilla...
    It didnt do AoE dmg in vanilla, not as far as I can remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonkaden View Post
    It didnt do AoE dmg in vanilla, not as far as I can remember.
    correct, in Vanilla it was a chance on hit proc. The AoE "cleave" didn't get added until patch 3.2.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonkaden View Post
    It didnt do AoE dmg in vanilla, not as far as I can remember.
    I was right =D
    Hooray.
    Now after looking it up, I finally found it:
    http://wowvault.ign.com/View.php?vie...d=12&build=1.3
    Not even in the Pre TBC Talents,
    http://wowvault.ign.com/talentcalcul...skillclassid=4

    Did the Original Poster even play Vanilla?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamminen View Post
    Actually it's not the same...

    Seals of Command: Your seals also deal 7% weapon damage each time you swing. In addition, your Seal of Righteousness now hits up to 2 additional targets.

    Old Seal of Command: When used with attacks or abilities that strike a single target, this additional Holy damage will strike up to 2 additional targets.

    Exaclty.Because they removed seal of command,they integrated the "cleave" effect on SoR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renagade Raven View Post
    I was right =D
    Hooray.
    Now after looking it up, I finally found it:
    http://wowvault.ign.com/View.php?vie...d=12&build=1.3
    Not even in the Pre TBC Talents,
    http://wowvault.ign.com/talentcalcul...skillclassid=4

    Did the Original Poster even play Vanilla?
    Maybe i was unclear but i wasn't implying that SoComm had a aoe portion in vanilla. And yes i played vanilla.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by marinos View Post
    Its not the same.Currently the paladin has Seal of Command,Wisdom,Light,Justice,Veng./Corruption,Righteousness.
    With the new patch it will have Seal of Truth,Insight,Righteousness,Justice.
    Check now and tell me what is missing.Its seal of command like other seals that are getting removed.
    When you will specc to ''Seals of Command" you wont gain the seal of command cause its been removed.
    they have rolle dits functionality into another seal, hence its essence lives on but its just not called that anymore, its no big deal.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Renagade Raven View Post
    I was right =D
    Hooray.
    Now after looking it up, I finally found it:
    http://wowvault.ign.com/View.php?vie...d=12&build=1.3
    Not even in the Pre TBC Talents,
    http://wowvault.ign.com/talentcalcul...skillclassid=4

    Did the Original Poster even play Vanilla?
    How in the WORLD were you right? Do you have horrible reading comprehension. I will break down his post for you so you can easily understand it :

    Is anyone else sad about seeing SoComm going away =( From it's glory days in Vanilla as a chance on hit wtfpwn proc up till live where it's our go to choice for AoE cleaving, i am sad to see it go and it will be missed. Let us have a moment of silence for this amazing seal...

    He said it was a wtfpwn proc in VANILLA which it was.
    Then he said UP TIL which clearly means it stayed the proc it was in vanilla up til NOW where its an AoE cleave. How in the world was he wrong? Get a clue before you post dude.

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    Thank you Tonkaden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatabbot View Post
    Thank you Tonkaden
    Anytime

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Tonkaden View Post
    It didnt do AoE dmg in vanilla, not as far as I can remember.
    So... you agreed with me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatabbot View Post
    correct, in Vanilla it was a chance on hit proc. The AoE "cleave" didn't get added until patch 3.2.2
    He also agrees with me...
    Quote Originally Posted by Tonkaden View Post
    It was pretty nuts back in vanilla. If you got the proc and it crit, you would devastate whoever you hit with it lol. It is iconic. You must have not played in vanilla at all lol. Its just about as iconic as Reck Bombing.
    Bold part, I didn't say anything that would imply I didn't play then though? I was right about it not doing aoe damage, and I was agreeing with you on the decent burst damage it could do. So why the bold part? =S
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatabbot View Post
    Maybe i was unclear but i wasn't implying that SoComm had a aoe portion in vanilla. And yes i played vanilla.
    My bad, reading your post it looked like you said it had a cleave in Vanilla...
    Quote Originally Posted by Tonkaden View Post
    How in the WORLD were you right? Do you have horrible reading comprehension. I will break down his post for you so you can easily understand it
    Well true I misread the Original Post, I admit that, but ... that doesn't mean I was wrong about the aoe. All that means is I pointed out a fact that wasn't contested, not that I was wrong...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonkaden View Post
    Is anyone else sad about seeing SoComm going away =( From it's glory days in Vanilla as a chance on hit wtfpwn proc up till live where it's our go to choice for AoE cleaving, i am sad to see it go and it will be missed. Let us have a moment of silence for this amazing seal...

    He said it was a wtfpwn proc in VANILLA which it was.
    Then he said UP TIL which clearly means it stayed the proc it was in vanilla up til NOW where its an AoE cleave. How in the world was he wrong? Get a clue before you post dude.
    I obviously do have a clue, I just slightly misread part of his post.
    You really, really need to chill.
    Last edited by Renagade Raven; 2010-10-11 at 02:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostfaced View Post
    If you don't like RNG, you won't like the new Ret design.... at all.
    The RNG in gaining Holy Power can I live with, but the RNG in old SoC was just beyond horrible for a seal that did less damage than SoR unless it procced, which it almost never did. Remember that seals back then was used with the judgement so not only did you do less damage, it also did cost more mana, which was really hard for Ret paladins to gain back unless you used Seal of Wisdom

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    I miss both Seal of Casino and Seal of the Martyr... I even miss Seal of the Crusader, don't ask me why about the last one though.
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  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by anhility View Post
    The RNG in gaining Holy Power can I live with, but the RNG in old SoC was just beyond horrible for a seal that did less damage than SoR unless it procced, which it almost never did. Remember that seals back then was used with the judgement so not only did you do less damage, it also did cost more mana, which was really hard for Ret paladins to gain back unless you used Seal of Wisdom
    That's not the only RNG property of the new Ret.

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    So... basically this new talent Seals of Command turns SoR into SoC, except that it can't crit? Doesn't seem so bad considering you get 15% weapon damage bonus...
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    Doesn't seem so bad considering you get 15% weapon damage bonus...
    in comparing to "live" version of SoC - we will get a realy crap.
    i will miss SoC, it is(was) so funny to pwn trash with it (
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    Quote Originally Posted by saberon View Post
    So... basically this new talent Seals of Command turns SoR into SoC, except that it can't crit? Doesn't seem so bad considering you get 15% weapon damage bonus...
    fyi Seal of Righteousness isn't based on weapon damage and Seal of Command was. It's really comparing apples to oranges, but it sucks not having a dedicated AoE seal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anhility View Post
    The RNG in gaining Holy Power can I live with, but the RNG in old SoC was just beyond horrible for a seal that did less damage than SoR unless it procced, which it almost never did. Remember that seals back then was used with the judgement so not only did you do less damage, it also did cost more mana, which was really hard for Ret paladins to gain back unless you used Seal of Wisdom
    The old SoComm was awesome. No lie, I loved it. Mana wasn't an issue if you played your cards properly. Standing in fire, while it sounds retarded, was actually the truth. I can't tell you how many times I wanted/needed the burn debuff from Brutallus.

    In PvP, SoComm had the potential to be god mode. I suppose it was during season two(TBC) that this happened, but I can't be certain. I had a pro mage frost nova my partner and blink straight to me. A white crit, SoComm proc crit, and Judgement crit dropped him from 100% to dead instantly. My partner thought the mage D/C'd and couldn't figure out why I was laughing hysterically. Then I started jumping on top of the mage's corpse.

    First Seal of Blood, then Seal of the Crusader and now Seal of Command. I am experiencing that awkward naked feeling right now. Why couldn't they just take out Seal of Justice instead? That shit sucks.

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