Holy Pally Talents 4.0.1

[Camping]

wowtal.com/#k=kxX_hbiH.a5o.paladin.

^ My build.

Quick little tidbits coming from someone whose spent a good chunk of time on Beta and PTR. Eternal Glory is a must. Reason being is Word of Glory is about as strong as our New Flash of Light while costing no mana and having the chance to maintain HP allowing us to spam it? Is just insane.

Oh and those maxing out Protector and not tossing that extra pt into Enlightened Judgements apparently don't know how often their judges miss >.< That and the extra range is always a plus.

Whether it matters or not at 85 my last pts would drop into IMP judgements and Crusade... again because the extra range is always a plus (maybe max out Enlightened and toss 1 into Imp Judge instead just depends at 85)

[tamlus]

http://wowtal.com/#k=wx7DLet.a5o.paladin.30w6ff

Thats your 80 talents, now id rather have crusade for holy shock and have a better O shit heal then divinity although word of glory looks good. Your judgement will be 20 yards so you want it to be at least 30 and as far as speccing into Protector of the innocent (1st teir holy) I only go 2 to go down the tree i avoid damage and rarley have to heal myself and if i am taking damage i bubble so id rather have holy shock crit chance considering its core.

[Rosenstolz]

I don't understand why everyone is grabbing Arbiter of the Light. That is quite obviously there for Ret. It really is not a Holy talent. As for why Improved Judgement, it's for the range. Yesterday on live we had 40 yard range on Judgements. Without those two points in IJ, you'd be cut in half to 20 yards. And I saw one of you with a build that only has one point in Enlightened Judgements. That person only has a 15 yard range.

http://wowtal.com/#k=tfIbvqy.a5o.paladin.308FrD

That is the optimal 80 build in my opinion. At 85, you'll want http://wowtal.com/#k=te4EijsRu.a5o.paladin.308FrD

Eternal Glory > Judgement range. You only need to judge once a min.

http://wowtal.com/#k=kxX_hblh.a5o.paladin.

[Subdivision]

Here's my older idea with a revision. Now it's straight up healing: No judgements or anything. I don't get why you guys are so fixated on judgements. All they do is heal (you) for a little bit, which happens with Protector of the Innocent anyways. Am I missing something?

wowtal.com/#k=kxX_hbiH.a5o.paladin.

[thoukaia]

Oh and those maxing out Protector and not tossing that extra pt into Enlightened Judgements apparently don't know how often their judges miss >.< That and the extra range is always a plus.

Doesnt hurt as much to miss a judgement now as it's only 9% haste and doesnt have 50% chance to restore 2k mana anymore.

[Sparda Strife]

I´m going for this one

http://wowtal.com/#k=xxX_hJ3M.a5o.paladin.

For a change, i´m going to live without Aura Mastery, and trying to use this one, it´s a weird build, but i like it, if not, i´ll be using the "Standard" one

http://wowtal.com/#k=t3D8aJe1.a5o.paladin.

But i think that Parangon of virtue is a good pick, having a whole less minute for pop Avenging Wrath is a good deal for me, protector of the innocent looks like a PvP talent, and i like it , even in PvE sure it can be useful, but i want to try the first build without it (Or maybe i´ll get two points in there, leaving Arbiter of the light untouched)

[tamlus]

Doesnt hurt as much to miss a judgement now as it's only 9% haste and doesnt have 50% chance to restore 2k mana anymore.

This is why you gem hit.









Joking.

[Nillo]

http://wowtal.com/#k=YUIZWFv.a5o.paladin.RSpvWF

- 25 yd Judgement should be enough (and to all of those going with 10 yds have fun "brb need to run into melee range at boss XY can't heal for 10 seconds") also 1 pt in Enlightened Judgements should get you hit capped.
- You don't need to dispel magic in ICC.
- Blessed life is useless in raids (will become more powerful at 80+ in dungeons/heroics)
- Divinity is 2% on all heals vs 10% on 20% of our healing done with crusade => not much of a difference
- Eternal Glory seems to be the best choice of the t1 talents imo.
- Paragon of Virtue is crap imo, but at least it's more useful than a 2nd point in Judgements (yay massive over hitcap), Blessed Life (you don't survive 1 hit) or Cleanse (ICC doesn't have magic except for Blood Princes - YAY)

[gefta992]

http: //wowtal.com/#k=kxX_hJ3M.a5o.paladin.RSy08k

is what i was thinking

[Fohalin]

http: //wowtal.com/#k=YeJMV3L.a5o.paladin.

Is what im thinking i only need to cast jusdgement once a minute now due to the only real benfit from judging being the haste buff. With holy shock being used on cooldown and WoG being instant cast all it means is managing my healing cooldown's to enable me to move into range once a min. if you have a WoG and holy shock ready thats what 20k instant healing while you move. /Free WoG's seem to important to miss up if manna is going to be so important. The only points i may move are crusader to divinity depending on which seems better at 80

[Cyros]

this is how im gonna specc.

http://wowtal.com/#k=wCNiBqeV.a5o.paladin.qrVbkD

I rather the last 5 points will go into prot at lvl 85.

Avenging wrath is abit lame atm, since it costs mana!
HS will be alot more importaint now, i tryed it on the ptr, quite nice imo. Gonna have to try out the Light of Dawn glyph in raids before i can say if its actually any good!

[Deleted]

gonna roll with this
http://wowtal.com/#k=wxEreF6.a5o.paladin.

Eternal Glory is King. Word of glory is a spell that's gonna be used ALOT, don't skip it people.

[Deleted]

http://wowtal.com/#k=YeJMV3L.a5o.paladin.qrVHNF

This is what I'm going to use, I healt in PTR and beta and on both Word of Glory is so, so important. With that I want Holy shock to be as strong as it could be because it's a core healing spell really it's insanely strong and even better with the Daybreak proc.

Glyph-wise I'm not sure if I will go for Divinity or Cleansing but as the Glyphs will now stay on the character, I'll just switch accordingly to the fight (example PP, LK).

[cetarari]

http://wowtal.com/#k=YeJMV3L.a5o.paladin.30cSyP

I'm probably going for this, although I may use my second spec to shuffle around the non holy talents to see what fits me best. I've healed a bit on the beta, the chance of 'free' word of Glory and the buff to Holy Shock was invaluble.

[Deleted]

Why does everyone max out last word?

it only gives crit when the target is below 35% hp, Personally i dont let people get that lwo to start, and the crit lvls at 80 make 2 poitns in it worthless anyway.

You can max out Poti instead and just leave 1 point in it for filler and to guarenttee a crit.

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http://wowtal.com/#k=Ye8NqAl.a5o.paladin.306-09

either have 2 points in divinity or 2 points in cruasde at 80, not sure which will be better.

I'll max them both out at 85 with the last point in improved judgements so i have a 35 yard range at 85 (25 is enough for now)

[Deleted]

Why does everyone max out last word?

it only gives crit when the target is below 35% hp, Personally i dont let people get that lwo to start, and the crit lvls at 80 make 2 poitns in it worthless anyway.

You can max out Poti instead and just leave 1 point in it for filler and to guarenttee a crit.

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http://wowtal.com/#k=Ye8NqAl.a5o.paladin.306-09

either have 2 points in divinity or 2 points in cruasde at 80, not sure which will be better.

I'll max them both out at 85 with the last point in improved judgements so i have a 35 yard range at 85 (25 is enough for now)

It might not be the BEST talent right now, but it's probably gonna be alot better later on. 30% buff in icc makes a huge difference. Plus it's probably pretty good for those moments on LK heroic

[Dedee]

Accident :P

Anyway the first 31 points should look like this for everyone: "See Thoukaia's post as I cant post links yet"

Cant get myself to agree that 2/2 in Paragon of Virtue should be in everyones base 31 though
I'd rather pop those 2 points in EJ for the range and the hit, Divine Protection is a good spell to
mitigate damage, but it is also situational and mostly needed in "oh shit situations" (though I haven't
played the beta so I can't tell if there's gonna be more of those situations in the future ;p).
But if you need to use it more than every minute, your tank is probably under geared

And speaking of not having played the beta, have anyone had any experience with 2/2 in Blessed Life?
Zeyn states; "We WILL be starved for mana"... do we get too few direct hits for BL to be valuable?

[Grimes]

best spec currently available http://wowtal.com/#k=YeJMPdz.a5o.paladin.

[Deleted]

Eternal Glory > Judgement range. You only need to judge once a min.

wowtal.com /#k=kxX_hblh.a5o.paladin.

PotI only 2 pts, blessed life full ( its benefit is huge ),
hit both divinity & EG
-> full ack!
i will copy if you please.

greetings