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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekthelion View Post
    I think with the aggresive FB "rotation" capping energy during zerk + lust + both haste trinket procs shouldn't be much of a problem even at this lvl of haste.
    You might or might not. But the risk is there.

    When the stars align, there might be [too much haste] (bloodlust, DI, heroic hungerer and matrix haste procs on top of a haste-oriented reforging strategy). Let's say there is 2100 haste from gear, 1730 h-hungerer proc, ~1830 h-matrix haste proc (assuming the heroic tooltip is also incorrect and the actual buff is about 100 more than the hungerer like in normal). With those, DI, and bloodlust you'll be sitting at 21.2 energy per second.

    If you were to rake->shredx3->rip->shredx4->FB (assuming you've just popped TF with your berserk, so you'd want to refresh rake and rip is in there just because).

    For this sequence you'd need 17.5+21*3+15+21*4+12.5+(up to 25) = 192 energy (up to 217 energy). We have 10 abilities, so 10 seconds of 21.2 eps is 212 energy, and we will be using up to 217 energy.

    However, remove FB from the sequence, we have used ~180 energy over 9 seconds, at 21.2 eps you would have generated ~191 in that time period, so you would have had a net gain of 11 energy before FB, which may or may not energy cap you, depending on how much energy you had when you used TF.

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    (to Elunedra post): I know the rules of refreshing dots'n'stuff Just didn't know how they apply to fiery claws as the next appliations are added to the existing ones.[COLOR="red"]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thudin View Post
    So... 4/5 t12 is something that we want really fast?

    And for those who already know (Mihir?) how much You're increasing the duration of Bersker with the 4piece? Aprox?


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    just roll a warrior. instead of crying about the imbalance - be the imbalance.

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    for my last rangaros it was 3 uses with 107 seconds total, so it's around 36 seconds per Berserk. On BL i was able to get 40 seconds, but if you get more crits + OoC procs = more FB in short time so you can go even further.
    And yes: 4t12 is something you really want
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekthelion View Post
    You are accusing me of bringing 10v25 man shit, but you are doing exactly the same thing. Actually it seems that in such discussions regarding boss tactics this comparison can't be avoided. Statistically said, chance of getting countdown by a healer are very close in 10- and 25-man, assuming 2 healers in 10- and 5 healers in 25-man.
    Ehh, how is me explaining how important it is to be able to solo a shard as easily as possible in 10-man "10v25 man shit". And 20% out of your healing force getting a 50% healing reduction versus 50% of your healing force, or rather either your full shard healing or tank healing force, is a big difference and it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to understand that.

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    Heh and yet another 10vs25 man shit (your words). It seems you need some pats on your shoulder and some good words like "Oh, how epic fight you struggle there in you raid group, you are so epic". Geeeeeez... and it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to understand that. Now i just can't imagine what you want to achieve by that... anyway gl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekthelion View Post
    I'm just curious how many haste did you have when Mew told you it's your worst stat. I had over 1.9k at some point and it still told me it's my best stat with the weight over 1.40.
    And try to make the simulations more accurate by increasing number of iterations (i think in some post Mew author suggested 100k iterations), although i know it increases the calculations time...
    The stats in my previous post are what I had so: 1.9k Haste, 1.4k Mastery, 1k Crit, 7.16% Hit, 5% Exp.
    I also have the Hungerer and that might come into play as well.

    And yeah, I run 100k iterations when I want DPS estimates, but generating RSV on top of that literally takes forever. :/

    Anyhow, sorta fixed the problem. Went for more Hit/Exp so that took away from Haste, then reforged the APS again (damn it's costy) and it looks good now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekthelion View Post
    Heh and yet another 10vs25 man shit (your words). It seems you need some pats on your shoulder and some good words like "Oh, how epic fight you struggle there in you raid group, you are so epic". Geeeeeez... and it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to understand that. Now i just can't imagine what you want to achieve by that... anyway gl.
    Nice trolling attempt, but where did I bash 25-man? Where did I say it's as important in 25-man to be able to take minimal damage? You bash the idea of going bear in 10-man by saying healers get linked in 25-man too and I simply explain why that's a stupid comparison. This is a thread about helping ferals. Being able to go bear, getting -18% damage reduction, last stand and 30% more healing taken on top of the other stuff is awesome, I know that from experience. All I'm doing here is giving advice about how to minimize the damage. If your raid doesn't need it, fine look at the other comments, but that extra protection has saved me and my raid, and if other feral's guilds got the DPS but the tanks or themselves keep dying this is a helpful comment.

    So yeah, gtfo with the 10v25-man shit because this thread isn't about whether 10-man is easy compared to 25-man or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenerix View Post
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    1) hit/exp -> mastery -> haste -> crit
    2) hit/exp -> mastery -> haste -> crit
    3) hit/exp -> haste -> mastery -> crit
    Without coming off as bragging too much, I did Domo tonight for the first time with a 391 weapon and a haste build and crushed the #1 parse by over 1.6k DPS. Then again I might have just had some good RNG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeyIllidan View Post
    Without coming off as bragging too much, I did Domo tonight for the first time with a 391 weapon and a haste build and crushed the #1 parse by over 1.6k DPS. Then again I might have just had some good RNG.

    http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...ral-Cat_Druid/
    Good job! I'm curious about your high swipe damage. How come you are able to do that many justified swipes? I have only done in on 10m and the only time I would put a swipe in if I'm about to get energy capped during a leap, but that doesn't really happend with hit/exp cap. Do you guys not DPS the adds until a few of them are up or do they just have that much HP on 25m so it takes a while for them to die? I'm assuming you have like 3 adds up at times since you did 2,2mil to them? =)

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    It varies, but for the most part the adds are killed fairly quickly by the rogue and warrior I believe. Since we're almost always in cat phase, I tend to favor swipe over shred for OOC procs, and also depending on how many adds are up during berserk I might swipe a few times there as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elunedra View Post
    i still use hc malevolence, 2xT11 & 2xT12,

    I did ran mew whit 10K intertation it said haste was my best stat and mastery was 2nd both whit a 0.05% error
    so i wanted to try out reforging i substracted 300 mastery and added 300 haste and it showed mastey became better again and haste went dont on the list (again whit 0.05% error)

    i was surprised myzelf
    Hmm... Where are you getting the 0.05% error from? If you are reading from the 95% CI column, the number there is absolute value, not a percentage.

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    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ayara/advanced

    I was wondering if I could have some help with my reforging, I have gone for the hit and expertise caps and then haste. What I'm a little lost on is the crit vs mastery after that.

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    What I would suggest is checking the reforges on wowreforge.com or reforgelite addon. You have perfectly adjusted caps (hit/exp) so I think not too much can be done to say the least. Imo everything goes according to plan, so caps are there and haste is very high so you are complete

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    Maybe I can't find this question in the posts so I wanted to ask:
    How do You think: Is it a dps increase to clip not-TF'ed or TF'ed rakes and rips with TF'ed and Tricksed rakes/rips? If there are some conditions, can you share? In perfect situations I would get Tricks every TF, but in real environment it's just impossible (my rogue is sometimes very late with the tricks and I've learnt not to wait with my TF for his tricks anymore).
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    Smartie - You're fine. After hit/exp caps, it's Haste all the way. More haste you have, the more shreds you can get in for 4T12 bonus.

    Ekthelion - It definitely is a DPS increase to clip Rakes with TF'd rakes. I'm not sure, however, about Rip. I do know that, if you tried to hit a rip every time you're in tiger's fury, you're going to be clipping every other cast 1.5-2 ticks in unless you let it drop off. That's also not enough GCDs to get 5CPs (assuming 1/3 shreds is a crit with your ~33% rating)

    As a side question, does ToT give that obnoxious "a stronger version of this spell is in effect" error when you try to refresh a ToT Rip with one that's not?
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    Thanks for the replies, I used wow reforge to get the exact caps, but I had given mastery a higher stat value then crit so it prioritised reforging the crit over the mastery. I wasn't sure if this was correct. I used mew and it says crit is better than mastery, but the problem with that is every time I then update my reforging to what it suggests the stat values change again as the values it used to generate it are different. I feel I'm chasing my tail!

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    sorta depends...Crit helps out with your 4T12 bonus more than mastery (obviously), but movement heavy/airphase fights might value mastery over crit (might burn so fast you don't get the full 36-40s I've been hearing people say they're getting from 4T12). At this point, it becomes a personal thing. So experiment then adjust as you see fit; not some poor, confused computer!
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    Excellent, as long as I'm not doing anything wrong! Personal choice is fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeyIllidan View Post
    It varies, but for the most part the adds are killed fairly quickly by the rogue and warrior I believe. Since we're almost always in cat phase, I tend to favor swipe over shred for OOC procs, and also depending on how many adds are up during berserk I might swipe a few times there as well.
    Lucky. We never have more than one add up at a time, even with just one rogue in the raid.

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    Can someone help me out? I'm wondering if my reforging makes sense or if I should re-do it or something because I'm kind of lost at the moment. I was using this from the first post as the template:

    Wearing 2T11: mastery > exp (to 780) > hit (to 960) > haste > crit
    Wearing 4T12: exp (to 780) > hit (to 960) > haste > crit > mastery
    Otherwise: exp (to 780) > hit (to 960) > mastery > haste > crit
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