1. #2661
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    Mihir, any BiS list yet for the Dragon Soul items?

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    See a few pages back:
    Quote Originally Posted by Mihir View Post
    Tentative BiS list for Dragon Soul:

    head: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/78694/d H:Blackhorn
    neck: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71610/c ( http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/78546/c would be better, but unknown if valor items can be upgraded)
    shoulder: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/78368/u H:Morchok
    back: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71415/d (without epic gems http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/78509/b would be better if valor items can be upgraded)
    chest: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/78665/d H:Ultraxion
    wrist: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/78446/s H:Blackhorn
    hands: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/78684/d H:Zon'ozz
    waist: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/78388/b H:Zon'ozz
    legs: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/78713/d H:Yor'sahj
    feet: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/78462/m H:Spine
    finger1: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/78489/s H:Dragon Soul any of the first 6 bosses
    finger2: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/78413/s H:Hagara
    trinket1: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/77994/w H:Spine
    trinket2: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/77113/k 1650 VP
    weapon: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/78473/k H:Madness
    relic: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/77080/r 700 VP (unknown if this can be upgraded to http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/78554/r )
    Last edited by Mihir; 2011-11-07 at 05:55 PM.

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    Thank you, and sorry. Haven't kept up with this topic much lately. It's appreciated a lot, Mihir. <3

  4. #2664
    A rogue been telling me that troll racial berserk is now haste tat affects energy regen instead of attack speed which only affects white swings. Meaning for rogues that troll > orc. Therefore, does this mean troll racial will be much more significant for ferals.

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    I'm fairly certain that the troll racial has always increased energy regeneration.

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    Just wondering because the tooltip doesnt state that we gain haste but atk speed.

    "Increases your attack and casting speed by 20% for 10 sec."

    But ty for the clarification

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    Can confirm this after some testing, increases total haste by 20% (and thus energy regen as well) on both live and PTR realms.

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    I'd assume that it does increase energy production --- The tooltip for TW/BL/Hero says "attack, ranged, and casting speed" but it also does wonders for our energy regen, too.
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    attack/ranged/casting speed is just a synonym for Haste anyway, slash the other way around. Energy regen doesn't look at Haste Rating, it looks at Haste.

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    Q:I think this is the main question that feral druids seems to have right now: when you said that Shred will do "slightly" more damage than Mangle, did that mean that mangle is going to get buffed a little to provide less penalities in the several encounters we can't Shred? Because the difference between those skills is pretty big currently. ^^


    A: Our own internal numbers show that once the Glyph of Shred works from Mangle as well as Shred, the difference between a Mangle and a Shred rotation is actually fairly small (in the 5% range).


    Is that really true? It seems incredibly hard to believe since shred should get both the 20% damage buff from the talent and another 30% from mangle :x
    Last edited by AtaraxyDarkmoonFaire; 2011-11-10 at 08:29 AM.

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    Ye...in 5.0...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtaraxyDarkmoonFaire View Post
    Q:I think this is the main question that feral druids seems to have right now: when you said that Shred will do "slightly" more damage than Shred, did that mean that mangle is going to get buffed a little to provide less penalities in the several encounters we can't Shred? Because the difference between those skills is pretty big currently. ^^


    A: Our own internal numbers show that once the Glyph of Shred works from Mangle as well as Shred, the difference between a Mangle and a Shred rotation is actually fairly small (in the 5% range).


    Is that really true? It seems incredibly hard to believe since shred should get both the 20% damage buff from the talent and another 30% from mangle :x
    Prior to the glyph change, the dps difference was on the order of 10%. I don't know what it has been simmed to be after.

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    I'm far more concerned about the "druids are hybrids, they should shift more often" idea. If they don't implement that perfectly (e.g. these abilities activating instead of requring their associated form) it will feel very uncomfortable, or even be outright detrimental if certain encounters require it.

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    I am sorry for asking some "outdated" stuff here but I would really appreciate your help. I currently have both The Hungerer and Matrix Restabilizer but I don't have 4pt12 yet (need helmet or shorts). So the question is if I should swap The Hungerer with Ancient Petrified Seed or not?

    And one more thing - could you please give a general explanation why haste becomes more valuable than mastery after I get 4pt12 because I can't get it (I am bad in math and so), so I am also trying to explain it to my feral friend somehow and just can't.

    Thank you in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreff View Post
    I am sorry for asking some "outdated" stuff here but I would really appreciate your help. I currently have both The Hungerer and Matrix Restabilizer but I don't have 4pt12 yet (need helmet or shorts). So the question is if I should swap The Hungerer with Ancient Petrified Seed or not?

    And one more thing - could you please give a general explanation why haste becomes more valuable than mastery after I get 4pt12 because I can't get it (I am bad in math and so), so I am also trying to explain it to my feral friend somehow and just can't.

    Thank you in advance!
    Without link to your profile its impossible to do calculate stats weight for your gear. But most likely you should keep The Hungerer and Matrix Restabilizer.

    Does it really matter why haste is better if you don't like math?
    In short - shred and melee hits do more damage than rip and rake. Haste allows you to hit faster with autoattacks and regen energy faster for shred. Faster energy regen --> more shreds during berserk --> more finishers --> more added time to your berserk --> more shreds for half cost --> dps increase. Its really simplified so..

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    Afaik, APS beats TH378 in pretty much all gear combinations, even with 4T12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    I'm far more concerned about the "druids are hybrids, they should shift more often" idea. If they don't implement that perfectly (e.g. these abilities activating instead of requring their associated form) it will feel very uncomfortable, or even be outright detrimental if certain encounters require it.
    I don't like that either. From the looks of it, they want to force us to shift out and help with healing when it's needed. That's going to destroy Ferals to be honest... not liking it at all. -.-
    Last edited by -Atalanta-; 2011-11-10 at 12:24 PM.

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    Well, not that I did not like the math I just did not go too deep into it yet =)
    Here's link to my profile (needed to change pvp equipment)
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...3%D1%81/simple

    And thanks for explaining the "haste" issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreff View Post
    And one more thing - could you please give a general explanation why haste becomes more valuable than mastery after I get 4pt12 because I can't get it (I am bad in math and so), so I am also trying to explain it to my feral friend somehow and just can't.

    Thank you in advance!
    As far as I know there is no actual math why haste overtakes mastery. Haste-oriented builds were simulated to have the highest dps. By highest, I mean haste builds came out to be 200-400 dps more than mastery builds, which, in the grand scheme of things, isn't very much.

    In my opinion, many people here overestimate its value though.

    In short - shred and melee hits do more damage than rip and rake. Haste allows you to hit faster with autoattacks and regen energy faster for shred. Faster energy regen --> more shreds during berserk --> more finishers --> more added time to your berserk --> more shreds for half cost --> dps increase. Its really simplified so..
    Just bear in mind that it takes more than 1000 haste rating while raid buffed to get an extra 1 energy per second. Even taking 4T12 into consideration, this allows one more shred during a berserk, MAYBE two. It will not necessarily allow for another finisher.

    The returns haste has on energy regen is often overestimated. ~117 haste rating will give you 0.1 energy per second with standard raid buffs. If you stack 1170 haste, you will get 1 energy per second (you will also get ~10% more melees). Alternatively, 1170 mastery will boost your mastery bonus by an additional 19.5% (assuming a base amount of 1200 mastery, +19.5% is about a 13% bleed damage increase).

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    Ok, thank you guys for your time. It seems to be more clear to me now =)
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