why do so many high end druids take glyph of faerie fire? i.e. the guide on Fluid Druid says that it is actually mandatory? What value in 10 yds am I missing? (maybe I should ask over there but this forums seems to have more people posting)
There really aren't many good Major glyphs. Other than Feral Charge and perhaps Rebirth and Barkskin, what else would you use?
Yea I know the choice is bleak so it would probably be taken regardless of importance (only other I've heard people consider is thorns on the tank) but my question was mainly aimed at what value this guide was emphasizing on the FF glyph
Rake is useless
is the break point 4 combo points?
I tend to rake mangle rip 2 valks before single targeting 3rd, occasional non crits put me ripping at 3.
lol sorry bavar
I was looking at the guide and I think some added detail might be useful on a few key points.
The Ferocious Bite glyph is not useless and shouldn't be avoided. Point of fact, all of the DPS calculators (even Mew and previously Toskk's) assume you always use precisely 35 energy when you bite. If anything, this will guarantee said dps will match the simulations. (Indeed, I was within .5% of mew's simulation suggested damage for my toon.) At the moment, I would argue that it isn't useless to the majority of players - and most especially the ones who don't use mods to properly track every bit of the John Madden style depiction of our dps priorities (though it has gotten a fair amount easier post 4.0). It is only useless if, and only if, you hit everything at exactly the right time with absolutely no mistakes made ever.
While on the subject of glyphs, it seems that Mew (at least for my gear) is suggesting the delta between Berserk and Shred glyphs is less than 1 dps even under perfect and ideal scenarios. I'm not sure it should be written off as less than ideal. Indeed, it rather depends on your gear (mine is mostly 264s with one or two exceptions).
Another thing I'm not entirely sure is correct will be the assumption of stats. The problem in "bis" (best in slot for those not following along with acronyms) is that it isn't always "bis" unless you miraculously manage to get every piece of gear on your wishlist. I don't know about the rest of the gaming audience in general, but my experience in the last 5 years has been that either what I want doesn't drop (I remember 14 weeks in a row KT never dropped my weapon... (same in BC and Classic)) or it's given to someone else in the raid (for whatever reason - be it good or bad). It seems kind of pointless to list the 'bis' items since that's going to depend on what your current gear is and what your current level of progression is. (Indeed, GC and several other blues on the forums have tried to explain this to the user populace on more than one occasion to be blindly ignored.)
I worry that decrying or touting some things as 'worthless' or 'best' without the proper context sets incorrect expectations.
Woah, just noticed the nerfed the hell out of the 2 pc and 4 pc blue sets, it was 100 agi and 300 agi now its 70 agi and 100something agi =(
Not sure what I'm going to do now!
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If you have trouble getting enough CPs to keep Rip and SR up 100% of the time, you could consider glyphing it.
I'll use past experience as a gauge here (it is also echoed by the developers and the folks in beta): The moment we level to 81, our crit will drop. Right? Assuming we continue to regear, we'll still not see the same amounts of crit that we have right now until, if we're extremely lucky, the end of Cataclysm raiding (which, incidentally is where we are now in WotlK). The mechanics of the game are not changing. We're still dependent on crit for combo point generation. (Where is Jaiie going with this, you might ask... keep reading)
Crit determines combo point generation. If you don't crit, you don't generate combo points as quickly. (That's a given) Which also means you're using more energy. As the majority of our damage is energy driven, this becomes a cascading dependency of issues. So, your goal (the royal you, not you specifically) should be to conserve energy in so far as using the best available tools to do so.
Reducing Ferocious Bite's impact on that energy consumption is not a bad thing. In fact, glyphing it guarantees your numbers match closely (let's use a Saurfang/Patchwerk style fight as an example) with the calculators. They assume that you use exactly 35 energy (they're using average energy regen and cycles in their computational models remember - in addition to the combo points averaged in based on crit).
If you hit every single thing on cue with absolutely no faults, you're right. The glyph is not that stellar in such a perfect case (though it will still have a positive net effect even if that is minor). However, there will rarely ever be a perfect fight where you can do so. Indeed, as mentioned, the simulators show a zero change if you do or do not have it. Because, again as mentioned, they assume you're hitting the bite at 35 energy (no more and no less) - this is also in Toskk's DPS Method (prior to the advent of Mew by his successor). So, according to the simulator, it would have a net effect of zero with that in mind. However, Toskk (and later his successor) was the first one to point out that the model in and of itself (even before the glyph) was not perfect as it could not factor those variables in. The glyph, again, makes sure you fit as closely to the model as is possible (i.e. Not burning energy in the very energy intensive dps cycles of a feral).
If you'll recall, the majority of the feral dps theorycrafters (of which I contributed as Yakut and Jaiie on the forums before they aged out of the older forums) asked Blizzard for this glyph's functionality time and time again. Not in a glyph as such - so much as removing the Energy to Damage conversion (e.g. execute) mechanic beyond FB's 35 energy initial cost. Blizzard gave the theorycrafters exactly what they asked for. And, I should once again remind you that this how every single theorycrafting engine (Rawr and Mew -- and previously Toskk's DPS Method) all work.
My point is that it's generally not a useless glyph unless you're a perfect automaton that never misses a beat and never makes a mistake. However, I do not think the majority of the human race on this planet falls under that umbrella.
Edit to add: And don't just take my word for it. Elitist Jerks actually agrees with me on this point: http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t101212-...0_cats/#Glyphs
From their site:
Your assumption that the DPE is based off of any amount of energy with FB is incorrect. ALL calculations assume 35 energy. The DPE will actually vary (and get considerably worse) when you use more than 35.Glyphing Ferocious Bite is probably better for sustained dps than allowing it to consume extra energy, but the rest of the slots are not directly focused on dps. Glyph of rebirth looks good but do keep in mind that Rebirth has a 30 minute cooldown now so you won't be using it as often as you probably are on Live.
Last edited by Angosia; 2010-11-20 at 01:25 AM. Reason: Edit to add EJ post
Mihir doesn't say to always use Ferocious Bite at 70 Energy. But if the conditions are right - building the extra Energy won't hinder a Bleed uptime or much of a Savage Roar uptime - to do so is ideal.
Hello guys,i used to play enha shaman and i recently decided to reroll feral cat so i am kinda a newbie..Havent been in a raid so far but i keep practising on dummies and i have 2 questions about the "rotation".
1. Wouldnt it be better if you start with a quick 5-combo Rip instead of SR?For example:
iv)Tiger's Fury(for the extra dmg in Rake and Rip as Mihir said in his guide)
I am asking this because white dmg is about 15% of the overall dmg and Rip is about 30% so i guess a fast Rip would be a better start..And the second question.
2.Its about SR and how to keep it up..I mean should i go for a 5-combo SR everytime?For example if i have more than 12 secs left on Rip, wouldnt it be better to use an 1-2 combo SR and then go for a 5-combo Ferocious Bite?Will i make it in time for a 5-combo Rip before it falls out, in that way?
Sorry if the questions are noobish but i am still learning the class so be gentle with me plz and btw nice guide Mihir..