Hard to say without seeing the rest of your gear.
My armory is Drdraker of Aggramar (EU) ,i dont have a priority on loot or invs in my guild since im not an officer so i dont have access to 372 trinkets :/ what do u think mihir?
Last edited by Drdraker; 2011-02-10 at 02:38 PM.
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First of all i want to say that i can't get mew working, so don't have math or simulations to back up my claims below.
As far as i can see with the 4.0.6 changes Glyph of Ferocious Bite is a DPS increase because they made shred more valuable then Fero Bite.
Now a little les obvious glyph change might be Glyph of Berserk. At higher gear levels haste overtakes crit. Even at my 353 Ilvl with 8.73 haste (without buffs) I noticed in my random HC (with 5% haste buff) that i couldn't seem to loose my energy during berserk. So my guess is Glyph of Berserk becomes more valuable then Glyph of Tiger's Fury when you are at a certain haste level. I am just curious as to when that is and if that is right.
As for berserk vs. TF: say we indeed do not run out of energy during berserk: 5 seconds = 3 extra GCDs to spam shred: That equates to 60 energy every 3 minutes.
TF= 60 energy and a damage buff every 30 seconds. Unglyphed thats 2 energy/second. 60/27 is=2.2 energy per second. 0.2 energy per second extra. Over 3 minutes thats 180x0.2-36 extra energy.
For pure energy gain that means berserk > TF.
However, there is the 15% damage buff. Normally there would be a 20% uptime when used on CD every time (except att the start and assumiing perfect play).
When TF is used every 27 seconds we get an uptime of 22.2%. That means we get 2.2% longer 15% buff. My exact math is failing me, but I reckon that a long the lines of a 0.3% damage buff (feel free to correct me). This is excluding having more Rips/rake's buffed with 15%.
Say over 5 minutes doing 20k dps you do 6 million damage-> 0.3% extra means you do 1.003x6000000=6018000 damage, is 18000 damage.
Over 5 minutes berserk glyph you have exaclty 40 energy extra compared to TF glyph. The question is then-> Will this 1 extra shred do 18k damage? I reckon that once you are at the level at which you do 20k damage you'd have shreds doing 18-20k without a crit. while also adding 1-2 additional combo points.
While my math might be flawed, and I hope someone will point that out if so, if I am not wrong that means that berserk will edge out TF glyph. Mind you, the difference being marginal, and contingent on perfect play and 100% uptime on the boss.
Having to run away from boss during berserk or postponing berserk for a burn phase will lowevr the vlaue of the glyph, but downtime also affects TF, arguable less since thats easier to time around ripping/raking., but timing berserk so that you are on the boss should be easy enough. The difference is marginal either way, but with the extra effect of burst dps in burn phases (Magmaw) I reckon I will run with Berserk.
Feel free to bash my analysis. Hope MEw/Rawr/FbN have stuff to say on it soon, but so far I would agree with you that FB+Zerker glyphs are the best options.
Nevertheless, using the stats you provided, the dps values are 274.22 and 265.28 respectively, so it seems non-set shoulders is the way to go.
- Item level 346: Crit > Haste
- Item level 359: Crit = Haste
- Item level 372: Crit < Haste
'A socket has been added to most crafted epic armor pieces that did not already have one.'
Note the word 'most'. Blizzard always choose their words carefully. Although, I do very much agree on the fact that the crafted epic piece should definitely receive a socket. They barely beat ilvl 346 gear, if at all.
Also, Mihir, it would be nice if you could tell us whenever you update the original post. I, at least, am not checking it for updates whenever I'm on these forums.
While I'm at it, I want to ask you about one of the lines in the priority list in the original post. 'Use Ravage if TF is up.' I assume you mean the Ravage from the Stampede proc. TF's effect has a duration of 6 seconds and our priority is to refresh Rip and Rake. Is the remaining time really sufficient to run out, charge in and Ravage? ... Hm, I guess it might work if you time it and execute it very well. You most likely need to be at 5CP when you hit TF, or at least by the time you apply Rip, else you won't make it. Any hesitation in this process will most likely devastate it, as well.
Regarding Synapse Springs from Engineering; here are some dps values compared to not using it at all:
- Item level 346: +216.003 dps
- Item level 359: +245.096 dps
- Item level 372: +252.483 dps
Lastly, you might want to update the enchant list and switch bracer enchant, and wouldn't it be worth adding Ebonsteel Belt Buckle combined with +40 agility to the list as well?
I noticed you reforged crit on some of your gear to haste. Do you notice the energy regen being higher? When I reforge and try eyeballing 0 haste vs 1k+ haste, I cannot eyeball a difference in the haste.
Guys im sry for posting it again but it seems that no-one saw my post :/
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...raker/advanced this is my armory,i have access to all 359 trinkets so can anyone tell me which will be the most valuable trinkets before the 372?
Also i have 2k Valor points ,shall i go for hands T11 for set bonus (2items of t11) or go for FD?
Please i need help ;/
THanks in advance
Trinkets are FD and UW, but I recommend you to go for 2T11 and use TG and UW 'till you get heroic Essence or points for FD. It would be an optimal strategy.
atm BiS trinkets are Unheeded Warnig and Heroic Essence of the Cyclone....
if you cant get the heroic one.... Fluid Death combined with Unheeded Warning is BiS
Hello together, this is my first post here.
Till now i was just following these thread, since i started playing cat in cataclysm.
Now i have one question that, in my opinion, is not mentioned.
In the guide on the first page it is explained, which items seems to be the BiS high end gear.
But now since the patch, you discuss whether the other stats, primarily haste, gain more valuable.
So what is exatly about the BiS - 372 gear?
Last edited by Mifuro; 2011-02-11 at 01:56 PM.
Glyph of Ferocious Bite again, so we won't waste Energy during the <25% phase, allowing for a better uptime of SR and more CPs to put into the mandatory FBs.
Currently my majors are Charge, Rebirth, FF, can easily drop the latter as Cat.
So wait unheeding warning or w/e the BoE one is BiS now? Fuck I just sold like two of them lol
I'm not sure if it's been asked yet, but since they put in the Epic Alch trinkets with agility/crit on it...Where does that land on the list of trinkets? Are herioc 346 trinkets better, or does the sheer amount of agility on it combined with crit put it above most of them?
Last edited by Sintua; 2011-02-11 at 08:23 PM.
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It buffs white damage/fury swipes/mangle/shred/fb/swipe.