1. #1181
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    assuming it hits for 670% weapon damage (and no base damage) it will hit harder then a magle and lower then a shred (according to my crappy calculations)

    but while it only cost 5 extra enegry id say its a dps increase when you hot 3 targets. since you wont be able to keep savage roar or bleeds effecs up
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  2. #1182
    It's acutally possible that Swipe will replace Shred as our filler ability once we hit 5CP on the target if this goes unchanged, something it most likely won't.

  3. #1183
    Quote Originally Posted by Arctagon View Post
    It's acutally possible that Swipe will replace Shred as our filler ability once we hit 5CP on the target if this goes unchanged, something it most likely won't.
    No...Shred has got extra damage + add extra 30% damage from bleeding effect + keep in mind energy cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinity View Post
    No...Shred has got extra damage + add extra 30% damage from bleeding effect + keep in mind energy cost.
    I said it's possible, not that it actually will be so, but you have already done the maths on this subject, then please do share it with us.

  5. #1185
    Sounds like swipe gona be used over shred as a filler when al bleedsr up and ter r possibly 2 mobs up. Boss + adds?
    Almost like a cleave

  6. #1186
    Erm, no. Shred still hits harder (and for less energy).
    Shred is 450% weapon damage, but x1.2 from Rend and Tear and x1.3 from Mangle will put it at 702%

  7. #1187
    You think for 2 targets, swipe > shred would be better? Obviously as long bleeds r kept up.

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    which would be better 20 agi to gloves or 35 strength to gloves .. I dont want to spend the money for 50 strength to gloves till I have my heroic tier gloves
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gino View Post
    which would be better 20 agi to gloves or 35 strength to gloves .. I dont want to spend the money for 50 strength to gloves till I have my heroic tier gloves
    35 strength

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangedyn View Post
    Erm, no. Shred still hits harder (and for less energy).
    Shred is 450% weapon damage, but x1.2 from Rend and Tear and x1.3 from Mangle will put it at 702%
    exactly it has a base dmg and it does like 702% weapon damage, so shred will always be better

    but if there are more then 1 target to hit... well then its up to aoe rules :P i gues if you have 5 cp's on your mail target and rip & SR up while there is a 2nd target in range.... well thne yes i do think swipe would be the better option
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  11. #1191
    Why is the strength enchant better for gloves? As far as I can remember thats what, 70 ap? Why is it better than say 50 mastery or an agility enchant? Sorry if I'm being a retard about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avenn View Post
    Why is the strength enchant better for gloves? As far as I can remember thats what, 70 ap? Why is it better than say 50 mastery or an agility enchant? Sorry if I'm being a retard about it
    That's why this is here, to ask questions.

    strength = 2ap (3.17 with talents/buffs)
    agility = 2 ap (3.33 with talents buffs) + crit

    so 35 strength is about 111 ap
    20 agility is about 67 ap + a small amount of crit

    agility is much better to gem/enchant for unless you can get a certain amount of other stats and since strength is right behind it (literally), it's the next best thing.

    Since we only gem for a secondary stat (mastery in this case) if there is a bonus of 40 or more to be a dps increase. Take that same logic and put it towards enchants and that's where we see that Mastery to gloves is inferior to Strength.

    Hopefully it helps (and I'm right, lol) but if not I'm sure Mihir, Tang or Kataran could explain it better if you're still confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avenn View Post
    Why is the strength enchant better for gloves? As far as I can remember thats what, 70 ap? Why is it better than say 50 mastery or an agility enchant? Sorry if I'm being a retard about it
    Agility is far better than any of our controllable stats. Strength is not very far behind agility, but it's much better than any secondary stat. Unfortunately, there aren't any viable agility enchants for gloves available at the moment, the best being Enchant Gloves - Major Agility, which was added in WotLK. In Cataclysm a WotLK enchant usually isn't worth much, but since strength isn't very far behind agility, it wins out to any secondary stat enchant.

    With example stat values:
    Enchant Gloves - Major Agility: 50.1 dps
    Enchant Gloves - Mastery: 45.2 dps
    Enchant Gloves - Greater Mastery: 58.7 dps
    Enchant Gloves - Exceptional Strength: 67.3 dps
    Enchant Gloves - Mighty Strength: 96.1 dps

  14. #1194
    Ok thats my issue, I was told/led to believe that enchanting stats were not affected by buffs. So the strength enchant is affected by Kings etc? That...makes a bit more sense lol. Basically, I thought that the strength enchant only translated into direct attack power (1 str=2ap) and that was it.

    Regardless, very interesting and time to go bother my enchanting friend

  15. #1195
    The primary stats on the character pane are all affected by BoK/MotW, so any stats added to it are affected by those buffs. This includes enchants. Even if they were unaffected, Strength would still be ahead.

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    What should I upgrade next, got about 1300 VP and access to all bosses but nefarian on normal.

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  17. #1197
    Buying the T11 chest is a big mistake. The one off Atramedes is better.
    Your next purchase should be the T11 Leggings which is BIS.
    I would skip on getting Fluid Death, since the Heroic Essence of the Cyclone is better and should be available to you soon.
    So get the T11 gloves after the Leggings to complete 4T11, then get the Relic (which is BIS) and the Boots.

    Also, buy Tsanga's and the necklace from AH. They are BIS for 359.

  18. #1198
    Quote Originally Posted by tangedyn View Post
    Buying the T11 chest is a big mistake. The one off Atramedes is better.
    Your next purchase should be the T11 Leggings which is BIS.
    I would skip on getting Fluid Death, since the Heroic Essence of the Cyclone is better and should be available to you soon.
    So get the T11 gloves after the Leggings to complete 4T11, then get the Relic (which is BIS) and the Boots.

    Also, buy Tsanga's and the necklace from AH. They are BIS for 359.
    He can only use 1 offpiece, though, so its a choice between Tsanga's or the Sark

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    Generally it is not a choice, because the T11 helm is the hardest to get.
    So typically you get the Tsanga's, Sark, ODS shoulders, T11 Legs and Gloves first, eventually replacing the Sark with T11 chest (for the 4T11 bonus) when you win the T11 shoulder token from Cho'gall.

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    Agile Bio-Optic Killshades

    Would the head piece for engineers (Agile Bio-Optic Killshades) be good if the cogwheel sockets are placed for crit (Smooth Cogwheel) and mastery (Fractured Cogwheel) with the cata agi/crit gem (Agile Shadowspirit Diamond)? Right now I'm wearing a helmet out of a heroic dungeon which I can't remember the name right now.

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