The Cat Guide - 4.3

**Mihir** · 2011-04-19, 05:21 PM

It's definitely better than a blue helm yes, below Tsanga's but about equal to T11 helm. I'll add it to the gear list in the guide.

**Shaazaam** · 2011-04-20, 01:13 AM

The Engineering helm will be a great substitute for those that are having a hard time getting Tsanga's.

**Kerwin** · 2011-04-20, 05:36 AM

Hi,

Last night Seliza's Spear dropped for me and I replaced Darlking Staff with it, as the itemisation seemed better and the weapon DPS is slightly ,0.1, higher. I now check the gear values this morning and notice the following:

4230 Darkling Staff (HD) - Heroic: The Stonecore - High Priestess Azil
4217 Seliza's Spear (HD) - Heroic: Lost City of the Tol'Vir - General Husam / High Prophet Barim0

Why would the staff be ranked as better? Surely Mastery + Crit > Mastery + Hit?

What have I missed? Am i just being dense?

**tangedyn** · 2011-04-20, 05:49 AM

There's 404 total secondary stat points on the Darkling Staff and 383 total secondary stat points on the Seliza's Spear.

**Elunedra** · 2011-04-20, 06:49 AM

yes it looks like an itemisation bug however

while the spear has 28 more mastery rating it has 51 less of the other stat

and since 4.0.6 crit / haste are realy close just slightly higher then hit / exp

**Mihir** · 2011-04-20, 06:55 AM

It's not a bug, it's the way itemization works. If the secondary stats have equal amount, there will be a greater amount of them than if they differ in amounts (some sort of quadratic formula).

**Elunedra** · 2011-04-20, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Mihir

It's not a bug, it's the way itemization works. If the secondary stats have equal amount, there will be a greater amount of them than if they differ in amounts (some sort of quadratic formula).

i have seen a lot o item whit 2 different stats whit different values where the 2 values combined would still give the same result and an equal item whit 2 of the same values. so i dont realy agree on that tbh.

**Mihir** · 2011-04-20, 10:14 AM

Quick example: look at 346 rings. All of them have 252 stam and 168 int/str/agi.
Abandoned Dark Iron Ring has 112 crit and 112 haste, for a total of 224 at 0 difference.
Anthia's Ring has 98 hit and 120 mastery, for a total of 218 at 22 difference.
Mirage Ring has 85 hit and 128 haste, for a total of 213 at 43 difference.

**Elunedra** · 2011-04-20, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Mihir

Quick example: look at 346 rings. All of them have 252 stam and 168 int/str/agi.
Abandoned Dark Iron Ring has 112 crit and 112 haste, for a total of 224 at 0 difference.
Anthia's Ring has 98 hit and 120 mastery, for a total of 218 at 22 difference.
Mirage Ring has 85 hit and 128 haste, for a total of 213 at 43 difference.

112 crit and 112 haste, for a total of 224
98 hit and 120 mastery, for a total of 218, is 6 less stats
85 hit and 128 haste, for a total of 213, is 11 less stats

oke but how about... Dahm took a look at wowhead and every item whit unbalanced stats seems to have less then item whit balanced stats ...

**Arctagon** · 2011-04-20, 12:38 PM

Exactly. It has always been like this, and it's working like intended. Just reforge the hit to crit and Darkling Staff will come out better than Seliza's Spear.

**Kerwin** · 2011-04-21, 05:20 AM

Right,

That makes sense.

Thanks

**Arctagon** · 2011-04-24, 02:30 PM

[Tsanga's Helm] is currently priced at 9,000 gold on my realm, which is lower than usual. It's usually around 15,000 gold. I am hesitant to whether or not to grab the opportunity and buy it. I know it's normal tier BiS, but it would be 9,000 gold wasted if it were to drop in a raid run. I haven't run many raids, so based on your experiences, does it drop often?

**tangedyn** · 2011-04-24, 04:17 PM

I have two of that... no regrets spending the money.

**Selverein** · 2011-04-24, 04:48 PM

There's 9 different zone drops in BoT as far as I can see on Wowhead, and I would assume they all have an equal chance of dropping.
So you could see 3 drop in a row, or get some 30 drops and never see one. If you have the money to spare, it's a good purchase.

**Nathanyel** · 2011-04-24, 06:05 PM

Price is (roughly) determined by supply and demand (and previous prices and general greed) so if less people are buying the helm, the price could indeed go down.

**Tharkkun** · 2011-04-25, 12:24 AM

I purchased two as well. 1st one for 15k for dps in January and another in Feb for my tank set at 9 or 10k. If you watch the market you'll find people desperate to make some cash and will usually drop the price quickly.

**Barawr** · 2011-04-25, 03:27 PM

I've seen multiples in the 4k-5k range on the AH /shrug. Just goes to show how different each server's economies are.

**Lyndonm33** · 2011-04-25, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Barawr

I've seen multiples in the 4k-5k range on the AH /shrug. Just goes to show how different each server's economies are.

likewise, Also remember picking up UW for like 2ish k back when the proc was different

**Stillen88** · 2011-04-26, 01:21 PM

you should change the AOE rotation to Swipe Swipe Swipe Swipe again for 4.1

Stillen - US. Dath'Remar

**Dollirllan** · 2011-04-26, 02:14 PM

Hello

I have checked the latests posts and such but still could not find decent aswer. My guild is currently progressing Nefarian 25 hc. My question considers Dominion spell.. We have a rogue in our group so I can stackup to 150 quite often and here is my queation... WHICH spell should I usew to maximize my dps?
I checked some sites and they say that Rip is no longer supported. So should I use feral charge and Ravage? Or mayby use buffed shred? Or rake mayby? I would be gratefull for an answer cause I rly want to push all I can from this buff

Thanks in advance!

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