The Cat Guide - 4.3

[Deleted]

I wonder when is the right time to switch from 2t11+2t12 to 2t12 only (don't wanna even think about getting 4t12 as it's the worst bonus ever)?

When you gain more than 400 dps from the individual gear upgrades over the 2 T11 pieces.

[Avenn]

so random question, did they change how the flamescythe works? A druid in my guild got it the other day (filthy tank ) and he told me the flaming kitty was only out of combat and on an internal cd. Any confirmation/correction?

[thbrius]

It works in combat and has an on use out of combat.

[PhXn]

so random question, did they change how the flamescythe works? A druid in my guild got it the other day (filthy tank ) and he told me the flaming kitty was only out of combat and on an internal cd. Any confirmation/correction?

Wait what........really u should be happy for that druid guildy of yours(bis tanking feral), go get ranseur of the hatred instead..........
u only like the cosmetic part .......pitty

[Elunedra]

Cosmetiecs are better then 22 dps

[PhXn]

Cosmetiecs are better then 22 dps

i was looking at it from tank perspective really

[Mithfin]

Ok, I want to ask for some help with a little comparative analysis. There are two fandral logs: mine, and 10M normal rank1 guy. As you can see, I did 25k with dark intent and he did about 28k without. Our buffs/debuffs uptimes are about at the same level, the only external difference is his 18 clearcasting procs over mine 12, but it is nowhere near 4k difference (if we take 1k DI bonus from me).
Well, after a bit of research I found that all his abilities hit significantly harder then mine. Like, his average shred crit is 43k, and mine is 35k. Hell, even his bleeds tick harder (remember DI on me).
This is my armory and his armory links. I'm at the same gear as at the time of the fight with the exception of chest piece (was in 372 one, used 4T11). As you can see, he even uses ilvl 372 weapon and has about 300 agi less then me, so the question is: what the hell? I yet falied to understand how is it possible and what should I do to become such awsum herd hittink kittieh. Any thoughts?

[Elunedra]

probaly DI is bugged and cases a dps loss?

[PhXn]

Ok, I want to ask for some help with a little comparative analysis. There are two fandral logs: mine, and 10M normal rank1 guy. As you can see, I did 25k with dark intent and he did about 28k without. Our buffs/debuffs uptimes are about at the same level, the only external difference is his 18 clearcasting procs over mine 12, but it is nowhere near 4k difference (if we take 1k DI bonus from me).
Well, after a bit of research I found that all his abilities hit significantly harder then mine. Like, his average shred crit is 43k, and mine is 35k. Hell, even his bleeds tick harder (remember DI on me).
This is my armory and his armory links. I'm at the same gear as at the time of the fight with the exception of chest piece (was in 372 one, used 4T11). As you can see, he even uses ilvl 372 weapon and has about 300 agi less then me, so the question is: what the hell? I yet falied to understand how is it possible and what should I do to become such awsum herd hittink kittieh. Any thoughts?

actually im not good with cats to be honest, but he has the engi tinker on gloves thats +480 agi, i think it was 1 min cd. so if u would use it when u got 3% more attkpower, not sure but just saying

[Tygroen]

One thing that stood out for me, Mithfin was your lack of a 3% increased damage buff (Ret Paladin, Arcane Mage, BM Hunter). Also, I wanna say (due to his things doing more dmg than yours assuming similar gear) that he takes perhaps more advantage of Tiger's Fury / Unheeded Warning buffs and their duration?

He appears to Sim, as his haste and crit are identical, whereas you, I'm not sure if you do or not (the only indicator of that to me was that your crit is your highest stat, and you have more hit/exp than he does).

Did you ever energy cap?

His fight was barely shorter, but it was shorter and that's a factor (and in that fight it could mean that he ended the fight in a scorp phase, while you in a cat phase, perhaps).

Why so many Ferocious Bites?

He also barely touched the adds, which staying on the boss longer would increase personal dps I suppose. And as some others have said, synapse springs would definitely bring his average "Hits" higher than yours. His racials are also far greater than yours. Tying these in with Berserk would likely result in higher dps (for that phase) than you can currently provide.

I'm just spit-balling at this point, but perhaps it was a mixture of all of those minor things combined?

EDIT: To also be fair, he only did 5.3% more damage than you did over all, and 3% of that is covered with your lack of the 3% buff. Perhaps there were other buffs you missed too (I could not see). And I'm also wondering if his potion just isn't showing up? Because if he just didn't use one, that would make it a tad bit harder to figure out.

[Mithfin]

Hell yeah. I get it. if we assume 3% increased damage ~= DI and calculate OC procs dps difference, and then count freaking op 5% damage increase vs beasts troll racial, we will get pretty equal results.

Upd: about fb - I'm trying to get used to using fb during berserk.

[Tygroen]

I'm not sure how that will be either, hopefully by that time enough haste will have been accumulated that it won't be as tiresome as it sounds.

[Deleted]

so random question, did they change how the flamescythe works? A druid in my guild got it the other day (filthy tank ) and he told me the flaming kitty was only out of combat and on an internal cd. Any confirmation/correction?

The exact mechanic is that when you have the staff equipped and hit something (doesn't matter what form you are in), you get the Druid of the Flames buff. This buff stays on you till you leave combat. As long as you have this buff, your cat form gets changed into fire cat form. You don't lose the buff if you switch to another weapon.

Then there's the on-use. With the staff equipped, rightclick the staff. It has a 2 hour cooldown, and you will gain the Druid of the Flames buff out of combat. No duration, persists on relog, but disappears if you switch weapon, or if you enter and then leave combat.

[Simbah]

how much expertise do i need?

[Obblivion]

Where would you put the 378 Ancient Petrified Seed on the trinket list given that a person knows how to use it (as in won't just forget about the "use" and won't have issues with noticing stronger spell already in use)?

[Elunedra]

how much expertise do i need?

as stated on the first page you dont need any so 0.
hopwever if you get 2xT12 or 4xT12 it will becomes more usefull to get 26 exp, however will never be your best stat

[Ledonn]

How does the 2200 pvp weapon rate against the 378 Boe polearm and firekitty staff? I know most won't see the pvp weapon for another 6 weeks but might be longer for some to see any heroic weapons.

[Deleted]

Where would you put the 378 Ancient Petrified Seed on the trinket list given that a person knows how to use it (as in won't just forget about the "use" and won't have issues with noticing stronger spell already in use)?

As long as you use the 2T11 bonus, it ranks above T11.372 trinkets but below T12.378 trinkets / unheeded warning. Once you drop 2T11 and get 4T12 instead, it drops in value to below the T11 372 trinkets.

---------- Post added 2011-07-16 at 05:07 PM ----------

Added APS / RMF trinkets to the trinket list. It's now:

http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/69150/m
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/69112/t
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/68994/m
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59520/u
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/68927/t
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/69001/a (with 2T11 bonus)
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/65140/e (with 4T12 bonus)
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/65026/p
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/65140/e (without 4T12 bonus)
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/70144/r
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/69001/a (without 2T11 bonus)
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/58181/f (*)
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56394/t (*)
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59441/p
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59473/e
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56328/k
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56427/l
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62463/u
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/55874/t (*)
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56295/g
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56440/s

[Stevoman]

The OP needs to be updated to reflect 4.2 secondary stat scalings.

They are extremely close to each other. There's not really a clear-cut best until you are getting close to the 390 levels, at which point haste pulls marginally ahead, or if you are holding onto 2T11, in which cast mastery is slightly ahead. Crit, haste, and hit/expertise cap builds are all pretty much up in the air, at least in the low and mid gear levels, simming out to less than 200 DPS difference between each other in Mew, with a standard deviation of something ridiculous like ~500. For those of you not well versed in statistics, that more or less means they are all equal most of the time. Info here:

http://fluiddruid.net/2011/06/4-2-an...condary-stats/

I personally have switched to a build that caps hit/exp and then prefers haste. Perhaps this is 10 dps less on a Patchwerk than what I had before, but I think it's going to be much stronger on Beth'tilac and Alysrazor. We shall see how it goes on Monday...

[Obblivion]

Thanks for the trinket update, much appreciated.