1. #2821
    Just posting this to make it stand out (back on page 138, Mihir post.


    4633 H:Vial of Shadows Hragon Soul first 6 bosses
    4595 H:Wrath of Unchaining Heroic: Spine of Deathwing
    4252 N:Vial of Shadows Dragon Soul first 6 bosses
    4080 N:Wrath of Unchaining Spine of Deathwing
    3925 RF:Vial of Shadows RFragon Soul first 6 bosses
    3610 RF:Wrath of Unchaining Raid Finder: Spine of Deathwing
    3608 H:Starcatcher Compass Heroic: Warmaster Blackhorn
    3203 Kiroptyric Sigil Valor
    3202 H:Matrix Restabilizer Heroic: Ragnaros
    3188 N:Starcatcher Compass Warmaster Blackhorn
    2827 N:Matrix Restabilizer Ragnaros
    2827 RF:Starcatcher Compass Raid Finder: Warmaster Blackhorn
    2720 H:The Hungerer Heroic: Majordomo Staghelm
    2626 R:Ancient Petrified Seed Avengers of Hyjal: Revered
    2345 D:Arrow of Time End Time - Murozond


    Go back to that page for better look. Arrow of time sould be better yes.

  2. #2822
    Ooo ty~! I remembered reading something like that a day or so ago, but forgot which page it was on


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    I am excite

  3. #2823
    Quote Originally Posted by AtaraxyDarkmoonFaire View Post
    Head: Deep Earth Headpiece
    Necklace: Valor points.
    Shoulders: Underdweller's Spaulders
    Cloak: The OP FL one, with two red sockets
    Chest: Deep Earth Raiment
    Wrist: Shadow Wing Armbands
    Hands: Deep Earth Grips
    Waist: Belt of Flayed Skin
    Legs: Deep Earth Legguards
    Feet: Molten Blood Footpads
    Ring1 : Seal of Primordial Shadow
    Ring2: Signet of Grasping Mouths
    Trinket1:Wrath of Unchaining
    Trinket2: Starcatcher Compass
    Weapon: Kiril, Fury of Beasts
    Relic: Valor points.

    I haven't run any sim, but I thought it would be nice to have just a possible non-heroic BiS list. :3
    What is the next best back piece if we weren't fortunate enough to get the H Ryo cape? Whats the best piece to buy first with Valor points?
    Last edited by celionaria; 2011-12-01 at 01:12 PM.

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    The new valor cloak is the next best option. I posted a list with valor upgrades a few pages ago:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mihir View Post
    4.3 valor upgrade table:

    ilvl you're upgrading from | slot | dps increase | valor cost | dps/valor

    378/391 trinket 868 1650 0.526 *
    378 back (nodf) 516 1250 0.413 **
    378 waist 601 1650 0.364
    378 finger 442 1250 0.354
    378 feet 517 1650 0.313
    378 chest 619 2200 0.281
    378 wrist 340 1250 0.272 ****
    378 head 593 2200 0.270
    378 relic 183 700 0.261
    378 hands 408 1650 0.247
    391 waist 305 1650 0.185
    391 finger 227 1250 0.181
    384 neck 226 1250 0.181
    391 feet 270 1650 0.164
    391 hands 179 1650 0.108
    391 chest 231 2200 0.105
    391 wrist 119 1250 0.095 ****
    391 head 202 2200 0.092
    391 relic 56 700 0.080
    378 back (df) 97 1250 0.077 ***

    * 378 ancient petrified seed or 378/391 the hungerer
    ** 378 reputation cloak
    *** 378 dreadfire drape
    **** crafted bracers are better, better skip this
    So.. trinket first generally, after that if you are still using the 378 reputation cloak, get the new valor cloak.
    Last edited by Mihir; 2011-12-01 at 01:24 PM.

  5. #2825
    Because this information is so useful to so many, perhaps it would be better to put the trinket list and VP list in the guide?

  6. #2826
    Quote Originally Posted by Arctagon View Post
    Because this information is so useful to so many, perhaps it would be better to put the trinket list and VP list in the guide?
    That would indeed be awesome.
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    When you play a video game, you don't put any "effort" into it at all. You're pushing keys on a keyboard, you're not running a marathon or playing a sport.

  7. #2827
    As a feral with not much heroic gear I'm going to buy the necklace first, since I don't see my raid group killing HC Ragnaros anytime soon.
    Then I'm going for the Relic, I haven't seen a crystallized firestone for ages and I probably won't go back farming FL HC just for that :P
    I'm also going to get the Valor points Boots and Wrist since they are BoE and have 2 alts who can farm them.

    I'm incredibly disappointed that nothing we can buy with VP is BiS, not a single item! :3
    Last edited by AtaraxyDarkmoonFaire; 2011-12-01 at 05:02 PM.

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    Would the 2p T13 from LFR be better than using the 4p T12 with most 391 ilvl. Just wanna hear your thoughts about it since I looted the legs and the hands from LFR earlier.

    Armory:
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  9. #2829
    Quote Originally Posted by Flandersson View Post
    Would the 2p T13 from LFR be better than using the 4p T12 with most 391 ilvl. Just wanna hear your thoughts about it since I looted the legs and the hands from LFR earlier.

    Armory:
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...vinig/advanced
    I replaced them for our FL raid just to test it out and it was amazing .
    pulled 39k on shannox and 36k on baleroc and 30k on beth'ilac . On shannox i FB allmost 20 times . so much fun.

  10. #2830
    Just to be sure, after the swipe nerf, swipe spam starts to outdps single target rotation at 4 targets is it? I'm kind of annoyed doing single target rotations on mobs in dungeons lol, by the time I apply rip they'd be dead =/

  11. #2831
    Has anyone made a post for a blue to see pleading our shred case on Ultra? It's pretty unreasonable to have a Patch style boss where only one spec in the game is so flagrantly gimped. Otherwise rename it to Benched Until The End of Time encounter. :/

  12. #2832
    Quote Originally Posted by Healarious View Post
    Just to be sure, after the swipe nerf, swipe spam starts to outdps single target rotation at 4 targets is it? I'm kind of annoyed doing single target rotations on mobs in dungeons lol, by the time I apply rip they'd be dead =/
    Then Mangle -> Rake -> tab and repeat.

    Does anybody know of any accurate character planners? I'm not sure Chardev will be updated with this patch. Seems like Askmrrobot will add one, but not sure when that will be released.

  13. #2833
    Quote Originally Posted by Healarious View Post
    Just to be sure, after the swipe nerf, swipe spam starts to outdps single target rotation at 4 targets is it? I'm kind of annoyed doing single target rotations on mobs in dungeons lol, by the time I apply rip they'd be dead =/
    4+ targets = swipe.

    3 targets - apply mangle-rake-rip, switch to another mob - apply mangle-rake-rip. If they die too fast - just swipe.


    Quote Originally Posted by Arctagon View Post
    Then Mangle -> Rake -> tab and repeat.
    Worst option out of all.

  14. #2834
    Quote Originally Posted by Roman View Post
    Has anyone made a post for a blue to see pleading our shred case on Ultra? It's pretty unreasonable to have a Patch style boss where only one spec in the game is so flagrantly gimped. Otherwise rename it to Benched Until The End of Time encounter. :/
    Three specs, and yes, there are plenty of posts on the forums about it. For the time being, at least it's not a huge dps hit. Significant yes, but they do have until next week before it really matters.

  15. #2835
    So then all we're really looking at spending VP on this tier is our relic, and the trinket. That seems quite nice unless I missed something.

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    You missed that in bis gear you want to use the firelands relic

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    Mihir, what do you use when setting up BiS lists? I presume you use a gear planner, like Chardev?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flandersson View Post
    Would the 2p T13 from LFR be better than using the 4p T12 with most 391 ilvl. Just wanna hear your thoughts about it since I looted the legs and the hands from LFR earlier.

    Armory:
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...vinig/advanced
    I believe Mihir said a few pages back that the T13 set bonuses are so strong, that whether it's 2 or 4 set from LFR, it's still an upgrade to heroic T12 despite it's lower ilvl. The quick recap for 4.3 at the start of the guide pretty much says it aswell (equal in the case of 2 set), though it doesn't exactly say LFR/heroic etc.

    Mihir, thanks for the BiS list update in the guide, but can we also expect a non-heroic (and possibly LFR) list there and the version without Madness of Deathwing heroic (even though we still don't know how the heroics and especially Madness compare to each other in difficulty exactly) like there was for T12. I'll have a look myself anyway, but would be nice to have it there for quick glances every now and then for a small reminder.
    Last edited by Obblivion; 2011-12-02 at 04:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctagon View Post
    Mihir, what do you use when setting up BiS lists? I presume you use a gear planner, like Chardev?
    Either wowhead or rawr, depending on what I want to do with it

  20. #2840
    The Profiler on Wowhead? But that's so inaccurate. :<

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