The Cat Guide - 4.3

**Stevoman** · 2011-12-12, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by kuukl1

You just made an account to bash someone. It's like peanut butter jelly time without peanut butter.

Go dig up some BL logs and look at them. His uptimes are garbage.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-bwwzu364xzwvgm7m/
89% Rip on Patchwerks when it should have been 95%+
70% SR when it should have been 95%+

I realize it doesn't matter all that much with the new and improved Cataclysm-ezmode-feral, but he could be doing more damage than he is right now. Is he good? Yes. Is he great? No.

**MasterNewbie** · 2011-12-12, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Stevoman

Go dig up some BL logs and look at them. His uptimes are garbage.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-bwwzu364xzwvgm7m/
89% Rip on Patchwerks when it should have been 95%+
70% SR when it should have been 95%+

I realize it doesn't matter all that much with the new and improved Cataclysm-ezmode-feral, but he could be doing more damage than he is right now. Is he good? Yes. Is he great? No.

You might have also noticed he was the primary shard soaker, so it isn't quite as Patchwerk as you think it is.

**Udasile** · 2011-12-12, 05:31 PM

Hallo Guys. I have been advised from this forum like ages ago... O well never leave a message or so

..... 4.3 is up and i have some problems... Not something important my kitty but still after doing some research i have a question that have to be answered :P :P . 1st of all.... mighty wrists .... Why are u still using hc allyz ?? no worth to make the crafts ???? And if u have any advice for my gear will be so welcome. ty in advance . ... i have hands/legs lfr hz alyz belt .... i dont want comments about shoulders... lets just say i was unlucky :P Tried to post my armory but **** You are not allowed to post any kinds of links, images or videos until you post a few times.**** o well just search EU =ùdasilè :P

**Djuntas** · 2011-12-12, 06:17 PM

I have 1 quick question: Are glyph of blodletting or beserker glyph best on Ultraxion/any mangle-only bosses.

I always tough beserker was better, but just wondered about this now. Especially with the glyphs buff in 4.3. So any numbers been done for this?

**xrayEU** · 2011-12-12, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Nightelfsb

I have 1 quick question: Are glyph of blodletting or beserker glyph best on Ultraxion/any mangle-only bosses.

Use Berserk, Rip and Mangle for Ultraxion.

**Paloro** · 2011-12-12, 08:13 PM

Can anyone explain the mechanics of the feral 4p (obviously its the frenzied regen that I would like to know about)

Some things that I was wondering about is:
After popping FR after being in bear for 15 sec, do you have to stay in bear for the duration?

How is the heal(unglyphed) calculated for the other raid members?

Does the initial "brings you up to 30% hp" affect only you or the raid also?

I've seen reports that the heal and/or the hp effect has been nerfed, is there any confirmation on this?

Do talents such as NI inprove the heal at all?

**Djuntas** · 2011-12-12, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by xrayEU

Use Berserk, Rip and Mangle for Ultraxion.

yea, thanks seem to work fine tonight. Actually made a 2# wol on normal 10. Brings me to question: How are you guys on Ultraxion (No my guild is baddies, so wont do HC ultraxion imo -,-), feral seems pretty fine, even without shredding.

**Braindwen** · 2011-12-12, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by Paloro

Can anyone explain the mechanics of the feral 4p (obviously its the frenzied regen that I would like to know about)

Some things that I was wondering about is:
0: After popping FR after being in bear for 15 sec, do you have to stay in bear for the duration?

1: How is the heal(unglyphed) calculated for the other raid members?

2: Does the initial "brings you up to 30% hp" affect only you or the raid also?

3: I've seen reports that the heal and/or the hp effect has been nerfed, is there any confirmation on this?

4: Do talents such as NI inprove the heal at all?

1: The unglyphed heal is calculated off the heal you receive. Keep your rage high to keep it fueled.
2: no clue, I haz no bonus. /sadbear

3: Looking at logs it looks like it was cut from half the heal you received to 1/4th. As for the health, http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3657277546#6 is my only source, I'd wait to hear from someone with the bonus on it though.
4: it better not, I don't want to lug around a caster staff just to power my frenzied heals.
I totally missed 0, oops. Yeah, no clue on that either.

**Llilja** · 2011-12-12, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Paloro

After popping FR after being in bear for 15 sec, do you have to stay in bear for the duration?

No, you do not need to stay in bear form for the raid to keep the buff, you will lose it yourself if you go out of bear tho (which is natural). When glyphed the tooltip that other raid members get states +30% healing taken. I've never used it without the glyph (cat's gotta shred, and I use it in advance so the raid isn't low to check the 'up to 30% hp' part) so can't really comment on your other questions.

**Ledonn** · 2011-12-12, 11:12 PM

Hey Mihir, I was wondering how you'r maximizing your polearm?

I've been doing my standard opener, but I have swapped to APS so it is macro'd to TF. I've been getting the timing down so I have APS, Pre-Pot and 10 stacks to reapply Rake and Rip with. So I refresh both bleeds about 10-12 seconds in depending on when I can get Beast Fury to hit max stacks. I'd assume the ~40k AP outweighs the 15% from TF and clipping so early.

Also, are you seeing max stacks line up with TF CD? I get it almost every 3 TF's that it starts building with about 5-6 seconds left on CD, pop TF and about 2 seconds left I am able to refresh Rip and Rake.

**Arctagon** · 2011-12-13, 12:21 AM

Here are two gear lists I have been working on lately--a pre-raid BiS gear list and a pre-normal raid BiS gear list for those who don't raid regularly with a guild or at all, like myself.

Pre-raid BiS gear list
Head: [Helm of Thorns] - Mannoroth and Varo'then (End Time H)
Neck: [Necklace of Smoke Signals] - 1250 JP
Shoulder: [Desecrated Shoulderguards] - Archbishop Benedictus (Hour of Twilight H)
Back: [Cloak of the Banshee Queen] - Echo of Sylvanas (End Time H)
Chest: [Obsidian Arborweave Raiment] - 2200 JP
Wrist: [Flamebinder Bracers] - 1250 JP
Hands: [Obsidian Arborweave Grips] - 1650 JP
Waist: [Peroth'arn's Belt] - Peroth'arn (Well of Eternity H)
Legs: [Puppeteer's Pantaloons] - Queen Azshara (Well of Eternity H)
Feet: [Wayfinder Boots] - Arcurion (Hour of Twilight H)
Finger: [Alurmi's Ring] - Quest: Documenting the Timeways
Finger: [Splintered Brimstone Seal] - 1250 JP
Trinket: [Arrow of Time] - Murozond (End Time H)
Trinket: [Ricket's Magnetic Fireball] - Damek Bloombeard, Molten Front
Main Hand: [Thornwood Staff] - Mannoroth and Varo'then (Well of Eternity H)
Relic: [Covenant of the Flame] - 700 JP

Pre-normal raid BiS gear list
Head: [Deep Earth Headpiece] - Warmaster Blackhorn (Dragon Soul LFR)
Neck: [Necklace of Smoke Signals] - 1250 JP
Shoulder: [Underdweller's Spaulders] - Morchok (Dragon Soul LFR)
Back: [Cloak of the Banshee Queen] - Echo of Sylvanas (End Time H)
Chest: [Deep Earth Raiment] - Ultraxion (Dragon Soul LFR)
Wrist: [Shadow Wing Armbands] - Warmaster Blachorn (Dragon Soul LFR)
Hands: [Deep Earth Grips] - Warlord Zon'ozz (Dragon Soul LFR)
Waist: [Belt of Flayed Skin] - Warlord Zon'ozz (Dragon Soul LFR)
Legs: [Deep Earth Legguards] - Yor'sahj the Unsleeping (Dragon Soul LFR)
Feet: [Molten Blood Footpads] - Spine of Deathwing (Dragon Soul LFR)
Finger: [Seal of Primordial Shadow] - Six first bosses in Dragon Soul LFR
Finger: [Signet of Grasping Mouths] - Hagara the Stormbinder (Dragon Soul LFR)
Trinket: [Vial of Shadows] - Six first bosses in Dragon Soul LFR
Trinket: [Wrath of Unchaining] - Spine of Deathwing (Dragon Soul LFR)
Main Hand: [Kiril, Fury of Beasts] - Madness of Deathwing (Dragon Soul LFR)
Relic: [Covenant of the Flame] - 700 JP

I have not included any VP gear pieces, because 1) pretty much all of them are better than the gear found in these lists, which would destroy the purpose of these gear lists, and 2) it takes way too much time to obtain all the VP gear pieces for there to be any logic in weaving them in to the gear lists.

I have also not included reforges, since I'm not certain whether it's wanted. Should there be a desire for it, however, then I might put it up.

**Snewb** · 2011-12-13, 01:27 AM

Arctagon, according to my calculations, Fluid Death seems to value higher than Arrow of Time (Pre-Raid Gear). Are my calculations wrong?

Not that it's particularly important. Just pointing out. Great job, though, making life easier on others.

**Paloro** · 2011-12-13, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by Braindwen

1: The unglyphed heal is calculated off the heal you receive. Keep your rage high to keep it fueled.
2: no clue, I haz no bonus. /sadbear

3: Looking at logs it looks like it was cut from half the heal you received to 1/4th. As for the health, http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3657277546#6 is my only source, I'd wait to hear from someone with the bonus on it though.
4: it better not, I don't want to lug around a caster staff just to power my frenzied heals.
I totally missed 0, oops. Yeah, no clue on that either.

Thanks for the reply,
If anyone can confirm that the "unglyphed" heal continues on the raid if you switch to cat?
It seems really silly to glyph for this b/c the 4p can potentially bring your raid a burst of 30-40k hps.
Carrying around a caster staff isn't such a big deal it would just further drop dps while in bear form. Having an equip macro when you switch to bear/cat aren't complicated if it would help the heal even further.

**Llilja** · 2011-12-13, 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by Paloro

It seems really silly to glyph for this b/c the 4p can potentially bring your raid a burst of 30-40k hps.

Heroic Yor'sahj probably would've appreciated me hanging around over a minute and a half of the fight in bear form being all but useless. Sure, the rage to health conversion can be strong too, but it doesn't cut into my dps as bad as staying in bear for the whole duration would (assuming you would have enough rage to fuel it). I highly doubt the raid will be getting any healing from the unglyphed set bonus if you switch to cat, since you lose your frenzied regen once you switch and it's your regen that's working on the raid. Also, as far as I know the regen is strictly rage to health, with your spell power having nothing to do with it.

EDIT: After seeing the hotfixes, come next week, Yor'sahj might not care anymore.

**Zheryn** · 2011-12-13, 05:41 AM

I always thought the glyphed version of 4t13 was much better anyway so I was assuming they were to nerf that one instead of the unglyphed. 30% more healing to the entire raid for 20 seconds is pretty sick. Maybe the unglyphed version did too much healing in 25m tho, I wouldn't know.

**SmokeyIllidan** · 2011-12-13, 07:49 AM

Silly question but the size increase on Kiril is purely cosmetic yes? It's not increasing our actual hit box. I'm 95% sure it doesn't, it's just always an interesting moment when for example Baleroc trying not to spread tormented, or dancing on Ragnaros. That being said, the one problem with this polearm is I can no longer hide inside the bosses body and ignore fight mechanics. Darn.

**Djuntas** · 2011-12-13, 09:16 AM

Honestly, might just be me being easly scared, but dancing with the proc on Ragnaros is kinda scarry. Else the size increase should be all cosmetic yup

**Arctagon** · 2011-12-13, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by Snewb

Arctagon, according to my calculations, Fluid Death seems to value higher than Arrow of Time (Pre-Raid Gear). Are my calculations wrong?

Not that it's particularly important. Just pointing out. Great job, though, making life easier on others.

I actually forgot to compare competitive trinkets in that gear list and thus not switching out the placeholder ones, which was those with the highest item level. Thank you for pointing it out and for the compliment. I will look into it.

**Paca** · 2011-12-13, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by MasterNewbie

You might have also noticed he was the primary shard soaker, so it isn't quite as Patchwerk as you think it is.

I've solo soaked shards pretty much since we first killed the boss and I can outperform that very easily. It's not difficult or complicated to hit Barkskin and SR when your stacks hit 14.

**AtaraxyDarkmoonFaire** · 2011-12-13, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by SmokeyIllidan

Silly question but the size increase on Kiril is purely cosmetic yes? It's not increasing our actual hit box. I'm 95% sure it doesn't, it's just always an interesting moment when for example Baleroc trying not to spread tormented, or dancing on Ragnaros. That being said, the one problem with this polearm is I can no longer hide inside the bosses body and ignore fight mechanics. Darn.

Our hunter got a LFR Kiril and in our last normal run he was complaining because he had to backpedle, as the weapon was increasing slightly his hitbox not allowing him to use his skills properly.

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