am i just that well geared, or are mangle and ravage OP?

[Deleted]

so i'm a level 22 feral druid. i just specced (30% movement speed, furor, 200% melee hit proc) and i started to quest (my first questing in 4.0). so i went to stonetalon, chose a mob, approached it and hit mangle twice. boom, dead. mangle and autoattack killed a mob. so then i checked my spellbook and i found an attack with even the double damage of mangle, ravage. it required stealth. so i used that. first mob i tried it on: oneshot from 100% to dead, just with 1 ravage and 1 autoattack.

is this because i'm using heirlooms? is this because it's not balanced at that level? or are mangle and ravage just so damned OP?

for the record: mangle was hitting for 190-240 non crit, ravage for around 400. i was using heirloom chest, shoulders, weapon and 1 trinket.

[Sharandris]

Not taking all the nerfs/buffs into account that changed 1-60 leveling, you should consider this:
1) You always have a blue weapon of your level. This was very rare in classic. FAP is gone, so I guess weapon dps is applied below BC gear now.
2) You have your class-defining ability, Mangle, long before you hit level 40.
3) That ability was buffed a day ago to make level 80 raiding bearable. It does 4 times weapon damage now, I think (same for Ravage, only much more).

Add these up and you know why you are so OP.

[bavarcarus]

so i'm a level 22 feral druid. i just specced (30% movement speed, furor, 200% melee hit proc) and i started to quest (my first questing in 4.0). so i went to stonetalon, chose a mob, approached it and hit mangle twice. boom, dead. mangle and autoattack killed a mob. so then i checked my spellbook and i found an attack with even the double damage of mangle, ravage. it required stealth. so i used that. first mob i tried it on: oneshot from 100% to dead, just with 1 ravage and 1 autoattack.

is this because i'm using heirlooms? is this because it's not balanced at that level? or are mangle and ravage just so damned OP?

for the record: mangle was hitting for 190-240 non crit, ravage for around 400. i was using heirloom chest, shoulders, weapon and 1 trinket.

IIRC my alt druid around that level was clawing for 40 damage with decent gear. So yeah, that's pretty sexy, for leveling at least.

[Deleted]

so i'm a level 22 feral druid. i just specced (30% movement speed, furor, 200% melee hit proc) and i started to quest (my first questing in 4.0). so i went to stonetalon, chose a mob, approached it and hit mangle twice. boom, dead. mangle and autoattack killed a mob. so then i checked my spellbook and i found an attack with even the double damage of mangle, ravage. it required stealth. so i used that. first mob i tried it on: oneshot from 100% to dead, just with 1 ravage and 1 autoattack.

is this because i'm using heirlooms? is this because it's not balanced at that level? or are mangle and ravage just so damned OP?

for the record: mangle was hitting for 190-240 non crit, ravage for around 400. i was using heirloom chest, shoulders, weapon and 1 trinket.

Schhhh or they'll nerf it before you can say one-shot...

I have 46 druid, very good geared doing 4k ferocious bite crits WITHOUT enrage in bg.

Also after rogue used ambush on me i was at 20% hp and went to bear form...
In 1 sec roue went 100-0% mangle 1.3k crit + 1.2k crit from fury swipes

[Lyndrael]

as a 29 twink feral cat i do around 1300-1600 ravage crits in pvp , and with zerker buff 1800+
mangel crits for 550-650 ish without zerker buff.

Yes we are OP atm. more Op then subt rogue's .

(btw mangle bear hits even harder, had a 950 crit)


ps while questing try this: use thorns, then pull 8-10 mobs and just heal up. Thorns hits rediculous hard and they will die within 3 seconds.

[CallMeKitty]

ps while questing try this: use thorns, then pull 8-10 mobs and just heal up. Thorns hits rediculous hard and they will die within 3 seconds.

Unless they changed it, I believe you need to hit those mobs first (insect swarm, moonfire, something), cause thorns-only kills won't net you lootable corpses or exp.

[shadowkras]

is this because i'm using heirlooms?

Yes, pretty much.

My rogue, pre-4.x, would one-shot every mob with Ambush (300% weapon damage or something) up til lv40, sometimes 2shot if the first hit wasnt strong enough.

[Deleted]

My lvl 25 rogue used to hit people with ambush crits for 300-400 (pre 4.0.1) (Chest, Shoulders, 2 PVP daggers, PVP trinket, PvE trinket, Ring, all heirloom, and all gear enchanted.) Now he's level 26 (Post 4.0.1) and ambush crits for over 2.9k. I can seriously 1 shot anyone.

[bavarcarus]

Unless they changed it, I believe you need to hit those mobs first (insect swarm, moonfire, something), cause thorns-only kills won't net you lootable corpses or exp.

yeah, just gotta swipe before they die.

[Deleted]

My lvl 25 rogue used to hit people with ambush crits for 300-400 (pre 4.0.1) (Chest, Shoulders, 2 PVP daggers, PVP trinket, PvE trinket, Ring, all heirloom, and all gear enchanted.) Now he's level 26 (Post 4.0.1) and ambush crits for over 2.9k. I can seriously 1 shot anyone.

Thats bullshit, no way in hell you can crit 2.9k with ambush at lvl 26. if you can crit 1500 I'd be surprised.

Reasons: Maybe you got yourself 30% buff from bgs and also shadowstep +20% buff aswell.

That alone would get your 400-500 to 800-900. Now calculate your higher ap due to agility change and +25% agi sub spec.

That would, on low-armoed enemy MAYBE make it to 1.5k but definetly not past that.

UNLESS: You ambushed efc with +100% dmg taken AND with extremely low armor WHILE you had all buffs possible.

[OnlineSamantha]

Thats bullshit, no way in hell you can crit 2.9k with ambush at lvl 26. if you can crit 1500 I'd be surprised.

Reasons: Maybe you got yourself 30% buff from bgs and also shadowstep +20% buff aswell.

That alone would get your 400-500 to 800-900. Now calculate your higher ap due to agility change and +25% agi sub spec.

That would, on low-armoed enemy MAYBE make it to 1.5k but definetly not past that.

UNLESS: You ambushed efc with +100% dmg taken AND with extremely low armor WHILE you had all buffs possible.

Or he's just OP and you should try it yourself.

[Deleted]

Or he's just OP and you should try it yourself.

I have tried it myself, I have 24 rogue with 19 twink gear and I'm not getting near that crits...
So nothing to say but use common sense...

[Balduvian]

so i'm a level 22 feral druid

Sorry but I stopped reading there. Blizzard is and has always been trying to balance around the highest available level. Who cares about what class levels fastest or that you can 1 shot stuff on level 22..?