time shown in countdown depends on your current time zone i guess? if so, l33t
guess I am minority but I am happy with not cutting parts from BRD.. its long but still one of my favorite dungeons.
Really its time to take the RP out of WoW and just call it an MMOG, because without getting lost, there really isn't any real sense of roll playing*. As many have said, most of the fun in many of the old dungeons is getting lost, taking wrong turns, or even going down a road that leads to absolutely nothing. Long before i knew all the old instances inside and out, half of the fun was getting into a group with someone who actually "knew" the place and could take you to bosses that you didn't know existed; and then passing that onto other players who also hadn't learned of that boss yet.
But with this design philosophy, they've jumbled it into a linear FPS type map, where the outcome is predictable. In fact, i would say it even has less choice than some FPS's. Take Left4Dead for example. Sure your goal is to get from one safe room to the other, but even then you have different routes you can take along the way. Slide through the back rooms and alleys? Or just straight through the mass of zombies with all guns blazing? The new design looks to even take that choice away. Your path is set before you, and the only deviance to that path is to "tip toe" past one of the trash mobs, instead of offering a safer, if not more tedious, alternate route. These aren't dungeons, they're cattle shoots.
Blizzards new model = Herd the cows through the shoot and let them get their loot. /moo
*Roll playing in this sense means the following; Getting lost on the way to the instance. Getting lost in the instance. Learning where all the bosses were. Learning the best route to get to said bosses (Think of Strat - there are two routes to take to clear the 3 Ziggerauts, @ 60 this also meant 2 different ways to pull trash, and which way each could be pulled most efficiently. There are also 2 routes that connect Live side to Undead side, not counting service entrance, and only one of those ways has a boss) And probably many many other ways that involve discovery, little easter eggs, and fun in general.
So much casuality it is starting to be annoying. Seriously, instead of talking about making dungeons more interesting by adding hidden locations and secret/rare bosses (which Vanilla was full of), they make sure to make them more casual... Seriously, the dungeon quests like the ogre suit run or rare bosses were loads of fun, why did they all vanish in TBC/Wotlk? All the fun and exploration just went away, making WoW feel like McDonalds of MMOs.
Last edited by Cronnix; 2010-10-23 at 12:17 PM.
So, tell me where I'm wrong:
We are getting no new continent/world
We are getting a new profession called Archaeology that no longer provides any benefits
Guild talents were scraped, even though they were interesting (replaced with guild "benefits")
Older dungeons/raids are getting nerfed/removed (Deadmines, SF, ZG)
Newer dungeons are getting simplified/less complex (I like the cow analogy above)
Gear is getting "dumbed" down (is it really that hard to figure out what piece gear is better for you?)
Combine all that with the fact I already have seven level 80s and a bank character, an expansion dedicated to 1-60 leveling doesn't really do anything for level 80s, does it?
Now, if they bought back a classic realm, say a level cap of 70, I would be all over that, since I didn't do all the raids in BC (basically just Karazhan and Zul'Aman).
Last edited by neuropsycho; 2010-10-23 at 06:41 PM.
I wonder how they will overcome the obnoxious challenge of balancing 10/25 raids. What is more distressing, however, is the fact that they withdrew the benefit for raiding in group of 25 people.
Login screen looks like Deathwing is taking a dump on Stormwind.
You ask for more? Then come, traveler, to the Whispering Deep, where only the mad walk.
Raid Idea: The Whispering Deep and Ny'alotha
I had way better gear than ICC5 could provide me (even if it was only item level comparision) and did the 3 places the same way. Nothing (except for a few items, generally trinkets) inside that could beat ToC25/ToC25H gear (258/245 > random 232), but ppl did the place anyway...
Lore + quest chains + new places/bosses + achievments sometimes >>>>>> new epics...
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But I guess even the most hardcore fans of the former wow can benefit from this new philosophy. They can just do the content and logout of the game to do other stuff. Even playing more games (wich is bad for Blizzard, because some players can end up never comming back. Some of my friends ended up enjoying other MMOs or spending more time with their PS3/Xbox360 single/multiplayer games).
I find it very sad that we don't have rare spawns (with some cool drops) anymore in the 5man for examplen. That was very cool in classic.
Last edited by VanishO2; 2010-10-25 at 03:01 PM.
the most thing that kills the 25 man guilds in wow is the attendance
so the 10 man guilds will have no issue with that