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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Justbearwithit View Post
    I had assumed there would be a way to get them with JP as there was with Wrath, If more information from the beta servers come out that say the ONLY way to get them is through completing a heroic dungeon, then I will take those two items off of the list.



    I was being a little hesitant before I added PvP gear because I've never been one to do much PvP. On top of that it would take just as much effort to try and get the PvP items, that it would to get the normal mode/crafting items that allow you to jump right into heroics where the gear is much better than the PvP gear. Also I'm not quite sure if the "Bloodthirsty" set and the "Vicious" set require any arena points/rating.

    Again as time goes on if I see a PvP item that is a far superior item to one the PvE ones I have listed I will update the list.
    I agree with the pvp gear, almost identical in agi/stam but you get a 100 agi 2 set bonus and 300 agi 4 set bonus for it.

    For example, I plan on using the helm from engineering and the 4 set until I get raid gear that covers it better. It's not so much to do with pvp then as you can save up your points now and spend them in cata(I already have 4k HP and 75 wintergraSp commdentations so I can get the 4 set before I even hit 85 =)

  2. #22
    Nice!!!

    I thinking of trinkets, in WotLK, JCs could get two tanking trinkets and the rest of us could try to get a trinket in a Normal instance (HoL) which no-one wanted to run and a trinket which "never" dropped in a HC instance (AN/OK?). That was about it....until raiding.

    Will we see the same in Cata? or will there be tankingtrinkets which are reasonable accesible our should we consider changing a proffession to JC?

  3. #23
    Just noticed the Polearm is no longer Epic/ilvl 359. I went to check it and all BS weapons are now ilvl346 blues with reduced stats. What happened??

    PS. The Shield is still ilvl359/stats - what gives?

  4. #24
    Aws.... Does anyone know why he was banned?

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by sethers656 View Post
    Aws.... Does anyone know why he was banned?
    I was going to ask the same thing...he makes a Great posting with loads of info for us and then goes and gets himself banned from the forums. Anybody able to shed some light?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blahssat View Post
    For some reason, the tooltips have never shown for me on mmo-champ, regardless of which site it comes from. Is there something I should enable in my profile, or something I should install?
    The db ones should work, although I agree that they don't show up all the time. I'm looking into it. It's probably on our side; you shouldn't have to install anything.

    Edit: It's fixed! Let me know if it's still not working for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTuNa View Post
    I was going to ask the same thing...he makes a Great posting with loads of info for us and then goes and gets himself banned from the forums. Anybody able to shed some light?
    I can't discuss it, but don't worry, the ban is very, very short.
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  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Paskgotsheal View Post
    I agree with the pvp gear, almost identical in agi/stam but you get a 100 agi 2 set bonus and 300 agi 4 set bonus for it.

    For example, I plan on using the helm from engineering and the 4 set until I get raid gear that covers it better. It's not so much to do with pvp then as you can save up your points now and spend them in cata(I already have 4k HP and 75 wintergraSp commdentations so I can get the 4 set before I even hit 85 =)
    I don't think any PvP piece is better for PvE than an item that is equal in itemlevel. The only times I would suggest using the PvP gear is if has a marginally higher item level. Also 400+ agility is a lot, but compared to what items have on them now it's not THAT big.

    Quote Originally Posted by spda242 View Post
    Nice!!!

    I thinking of trinkets, in WotLK, JCs could get two tanking trinkets and the rest of us could try to get a trinket in a Normal instance (HoL) which no-one wanted to run and a trinket which "never" dropped in a HC instance (AN/OK?). That was about it....until raiding.

    Will we see the same in Cata? or will there be tankingtrinkets which are reasonable accesible our should we consider changing a proffession to JC?
    As of right now I have no idea. I'm assuming they learned from their mistakes, but in all honesty the Essence of Gossemer had the same drop rate as all the other items. If you had trouble with it then you were probably just unlucky.

    Quote Originally Posted by Archdrood View Post
    Just noticed the Polearm is no longer Epic/ilvl 359. I went to check it and all BS weapons are now ilvl346 blues with reduced stats. What happened??

    PS. The Shield is still ilvl359/stats - what gives?
    They may still be changing items around, but why would they give blacksmiths the ability to just craft an epic, if they want epics to feel more epic...

  8. #28
    I want something like this for Balance/Druids. Awsome work!

  9. #29
    Balance is my offspec and I'm still doing research on what's going to be our best stats, but I eventually will make one for Boomkins if one hasn't already been made.

  10. #30
    Belt of Nefarious Whispers, Agile Bio-Optic Killshades, Assassin's Chestplate does need Heroic dungeon to be made.

    JP item should be safe since the cap before cata is 4000.

    We could buy somewhere two JP gears, maybe three.

    Head is 2200 JP in Beta.
    Gloves is 1650 JP in Beta.

    Do not know what is shoulder or belt.

    Buy just the Head and Gloves, you need 3850 JP. That is close enough to 4k cap.

  11. #31
    Well the chaos orb is kind of a disappointment, but understood. I'll take those three items off the list. I'll leave the justice point ones up on the list because you can pick and choose between 2 of the 4 items to get. It's sort of like an option depending on which 2 would be the bigger upgrade.

  12. #32
    I am looking at the list of crafted gears to make sure that they do not need chaos orb.

    I just remember that Elementium Poleaxe was once a epic item before blizzard down rated it to a blue item.

    I would keep it on the list until we get a clear picture of the mats for the polearm.

    Twilight Dragonscale Cloak and Razor-Edged Cloak also need Chaos Orb as well. But keep them on the list we will find out soon enough that we do not need the Chaos orb for these items.

  13. #33
    I looked at what was available from reputation and if OP what to include them in his list, please feel free to do that.

    Short about rep.

    Guardians of Hyjal (80-82, Mount Hyjal, Caster DPS Head Enchant)
    http://cata.wowhead.com/faction=1158

    The Earthen Ring (80-82, Vashj'ir, Tank Head Enchant, Seahorse)
    http://cata.wowhead.com/faction=1135

    Ramkahen (83-85, Uldum, Leather DPS enchant)
    http://cata.wowhead.com/faction=1173

    Therazane (81-83, Deepholm, Shoulder Enchants Honored/Exalted, Ring Revered)
    http://cata.wowhead.com/faction=1171

    Dragonmaw Clan/Wildhammer Clan (84, Twilligt Highlands, Mail?/Plate DPS Head Enchant)
    http://cata.wowhead.com/faction=1172

    Hellscream's Reach/Baradin's Wardens (85, Tol Barad PvE/PvP Zone, Daily Quests, Ventyre Bay/Wintergrasp zone)
    http://cata.wowhead.com/faction=1178

    All factions except Hellscream's Reach has a tabard, friendly rep for tabard

    Honored gear lv83 Itemlv 333 Item (lv85 N Dungeonquality)
    Revered gear lv85 Itemlv 346 Item (lv85 HC Dungeonquality)
    Exalted gear lv85 Itemlv 359 Item (lv85 Tier 1 Raidquality)

    Guardians of Hyjal
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62374/sly-fox-jerkin/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=62374) - Chest Honored
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62378/a...daughter-tree/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=62378) - Ring Revered
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62383/w...-great-turtle/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=62383) - Cloak Exalted (Tank Str)

    The Earthen Ring
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62361/softwind-cape/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=62361) - Cloak Revered
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62366/a...-earthen-ring/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=62366) - Revered
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62362/s...elder-council/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=62362) - Ring Exalted

    Ramkahen
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62446/quicksand-belt/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=62446) - Belt Revered
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62369/a...-the-ramkahen/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=62369) - Revered
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/63045/r...-riding-camel/ Reins of the Tan/Brown Riding Camel (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=63044) (Camel Mount, "Very" important for tanking )

    Therazane
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62347/l...tered-crystal/ - Shoulder Enchant Honored
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62321/l...akable-quartz/ - Shoulder Enchant Honored
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62348/t...et-of-balance/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=62348) - Ring Revered
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62351/f...ng-of-resolve/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=62351) - Ring Revered (Str Tank)
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62346/g...tered-crystal/ - Shoulder Enchant Exalted
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62333/g...akable-quartz/ - Shoulder Enchant Exalted

    Dragonmaw Clan
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62405/l...he-impenitent/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=62405) - Honored legs
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62417/liars-handwraps/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=62417) - Hands Exalted

    Hellscream's Reach
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/65176/b...unts-talisman/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=65176) - Honored Trinket Mastery
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/64996/rustberg-gull/ (Honored Pet, "very" important for tanking )
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62455/s...iling-shadows/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=62455) - Polearm Revered
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62463/unsolvable-riddle/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/faction=1178) - Mastery/Agl Exalted

    Head
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/63829/shocktrooper-hood/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=63829) (Twillight Highlands Q Ilevel 333)
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/65863/chain-reaction-hood/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=65863) (Uldum Quest Ilvel 325)

    Neck
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/73521/b...ium-medallion/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=73521) - JC, Il346, No Chaos Orb (WTF Socketbonus?)
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/52321/e...entium-choker/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=73504) - LW, Il 346, Chaos Orb Req
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/52323/elementium-guardian/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=73506) - JC, Il346, No Chaos Orb (Str Tank)
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/63762/p...ctorious-fury/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=63762) (TH Q Il 333)

    Chest
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56562/a...ns-chestplate/ http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=78488 - LW, Il359, Chaos Orb Req

    Cloak
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/78475/razor-edged-cloak/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=78475) - LW, Il 346, Chaos Orb req.
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/78476/t...onscale-cloak/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=78476) - LW, Il 346, Chaos Orb Req
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56518/cloak-of-beasts/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=78438) - LW, Il333, No Chaos Orb
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/78439/cloak-of-war/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=78439) LW, Il333, No Chaos Orb

    Waist
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56537/b...ious-whispers/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=78461) - LW, Il359, Chaos Orb Req

    Legs
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56513/darkbrand-leggings/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=78433) - LW, Random Stats Il333, No Chaos Orb

    Ring
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/52318/band-of-blades/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=73498) - JC, Il346, No Chaos Orb
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/52348/e...stroyers-ring/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=73520) - JC, Il346, No Chaos Orb
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/52320/e...-moebius-band/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=73503) - JC, Il346, No Chaos Orb (Str Tank)
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/61474/worldbinder-signet/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=61474) (Deepholm Ilvel 318)

    Trinket
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/65805/s...on-of-command/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=65805) (Uldum Q Ilevel 325)

    Relic
    (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/66961/mindbender-bloom/) (? Ilevel 308)

    Weapon
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/55066/elementium-poleaxe/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=76451) - BS, Il346, Chaos Orb Req
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/63803/torth-slayers-staff/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=63803) (TH Q Il 333)
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/61404/blacksoul-polearm/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=61404) - Polearm (Ilevel 318)
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/55246/obsidium-bladespear/ (http://cata.wowhead.com/item=61404) - BS, Il316, No Chaos Orb

    LW PvP Items Il339 DOES NOT Require Chaos Orb, there seem to be a 8 item PvP set.
    My guess are that some JC items should be str-items.
    Some questitems might be Horde only
    Last edited by spda242; 2010-11-08 at 06:38 PM. Reason: Cleaned up the post so it looks nicer. Added a few items which was on "Justbearwithit" list so you can see where 2 grind rep

  14. #34
    I'm a bit disappointed that they made the craftable relics bop since that's one of the harder slots to fill pre-heroics/pre-raids. I'm hoping that they're still working on things and will toss us a few boe crafted relics.

    Thanks for the work you did putting the list together too. I'll be using it as a guide once cata is out.

  15. #35
    Alright a bit of an update, I'm in the process of creating a best in slot gear list. I'm not that close to being done yet with all the loot that is now available to search through, but would you all like me to add it to the first post, or create an entire new thread so you have 1 for each type of list? I figured I would ask you guys since you seem to be the ones that would use them =)

    Thanks again for enjoying my list and I hope it will help out come December 7th!

    ---------- Post added 2010-11-08 at 10:05 AM ----------

    Quick update - I've added the first draft of the Best in Slot list to the main post and I've also added some rep items thanks to spda242. I'll continue adding items to the list and revising the best in slot list shortly.

    Also quick note, I have a hard time believing this is all blizzard has to offer us. There were very little options in the items I had to choose between and I always remember there being many different items to choose from. On the other hand that may be what the random items are for...We'll have to wait and see =)

  16. #36
    Nice work Justbearwithit!!!

    Those JP items in you list are they the ones you fund or might there be more on beta?

    I have cleaned up my list and added a few things.

    My initial plan was to see If we (ferals) could get Itemlv 300+ rare gear before starting to do N instances. I also wanted to know what quests in Uldum/Twillight Highlandsquest I should do.

    I began working on a N and HC list for instances but there seem to be incomplete data so far, so I could see what instances I wanted to run at lv85.
    There are also several rare items in wowhead (I am used to use wowhead. db.mmo-champion.com are new to me) for which there are no clue where to get them so I pushed that list into the future for now.

  17. #37
    Yeah, sadly with less than a month left before cataclysm there really isn't THAT much information out. I'd love it if the guys from Atlas would create and release the information from the beta so we could see visually what instances to run.

    What I do know is we can save up 4k Justice points and Honor points to purchase items with as soon as we hit 85. I don't know how many more if any items will be added, what quests most items are from, and how hard it will be to run heroics. I'm hoping we can start to run heroics before we end up in full Best Pre heroic gear.

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Auroro View Post
    I am looking at the list of crafted gears to make sure that they do not need chaos orb.

    I just remember that Elementium Poleaxe was once a epic item before blizzard down rated it to a blue item.

    I would keep it on the list until we get a clear picture of the mats for the polearm.

    Twilight Dragonscale Cloak and Razor-Edged Cloak also need Chaos Orb as well. But keep them on the list we will find out soon enough that we do not need the Chaos orb for these items.
    Short Answer, Itemlevel -333 = no Chaos Orbs, Itemlevel 346+ required Chaosorb.
    I see if I can updated crated stuff with req. for chaos orb.

  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Justbearwithit View Post
    I had assumed there would be a way to get them with JP as there was with Wrath, If more information from the beta servers come out that say the ONLY way to get them is through completing a heroic dungeon, then I will take those two items off of the list.



    I was being a little hesitant before I added PvP gear because I've never been one to do much PvP. On top of that it would take just as much effort to try and get the PvP items, that it would to get the normal mode/crafting items that allow you to jump right into heroics where the gear is much better than the PvP gear. Also I'm not quite sure if the "Bloodthirsty" set and the "Vicious" set require any arena points/rating.

    Again as time goes on if I see a PvP item that is a far superior item to one the PvE ones I have listed I will update the list.
    Most people will go into cata with 4k honor points if they haven't gone gem crazy, it's free currency garanteed items you don't have to aquire by other means.

  20. #40
    Yeah I added in a few PvP items, but I'm not sure about the set peices. I assume the Vicious Set cost arena/conquest points or require a certain arena rating?

    I'm also now in the process of adding a "Pre-Raid" gear list seeing as someone mentioned it. I figured if I already made a best in slot list and a pre heroic list, I could make a Best from Heroics list as well. It'll come shortly as that just means another pile of items to dig through. Hopefully will get it up some time tomorrow, if not then it will be up thursday.

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