Optimal 10 man Raid Group

[Dvorjak]

I am trying to come up with an "optimal" 10 man raid group based solely on the buffs/debuffs brought to the table. Here's what I've come up with

2 Tanks:
Prot Warrior-12% armor debuff
Blood DK-Agility/Strength...30% slow casting

2 Healers:
Priest-Fortitude
Druid-5% Stats

6DPS:

Elemental Shaman- Bloodlust, 5% Crit
Arms Warrior-4% Physical damage, 30% Bleed Debuf
Warlock-8% Spell Damage

The other 3 DPS can be whatever you like.
I would say Paladin, Hunter, and Rogue so we can give some love to all of the classes.


Any suggestions would be helpful. Have I made a mistake somewhere? Am I missing a buff/debuff? How would you go about setting up your group based solely on class mechanics, not player skill.

[bladebeso]

ele shamans get 10% spell power buff also

good idea btw

mage ( max mana incr ) and love for all classes <3

[eErike]

Tanks:
Paladin tank - Slower attackspeed
Blood DK - Agi/str

Healers:
Shaman - BL/totems
Paladin - Wicked healing durr
Shadow priest jumps in for fights that request three healers.

DPS:

Shadow priest - haste, fort
Mage - awesome ness class, 6% sp and some mana
Warlock - 8% spelldamage, spellpoerw buff (demo)
Rogue - 5% crit
Feral druid - Bleed damage, will have to go boomkin in fights were shadow goes healer tho :P
Last one I don't care, Hunter for the kindness maby? :P


Would be my go, but that's because I like some classes more than others :P

[Deleted]

I am trying to come up with an "optimal" 10 man raid group based solely on the buffs/debuffs brought to the table. Here's what I've come up with

2 Tanks:
Prot Warrior-12% armor debuff
Blood DK-Agility/Strength...30% slow casting

2 Healers:
Priest-Fortitude
Druid-5% Stats

6DPS:

Elemental Shaman- Bloodlust, 5% Crit
Arms Warrior-4% Physical damage, 30% Bleed Debuf
Warlock-8% Spell Damage

The other 3 DPS can be whatever you like.
I would say Paladin, Hunter, and Rogue so we can give some love to all of the classes.


Any suggestions would be helpful. Have I made a mistake somewhere? Am I missing a buff/debuff? How would you go about setting up your group based solely on class mechanics, not player skill.

Short version = One of each class, hur?

[Youarefired]

Rogues now give 8% spell dmg if they are Assassination, which most rogues are that now a days anyways. You only get the 5% crit from subt and subt raiding isn't that great. I would love if you could though. Maybe someday...

[sicness]

Considering the difficulty that I've seen on the beta with regard to 10 mans you should definitely have at least a third healer who can dps primarily if not a dedicated 3rd healer. From what I've seen most encounters will need 3 healers and you're not going to out gear them to the point of needing just 2 any time soon, if at all.

[apepi]

Resto druid for replenishment.

[Vidal]

2 dk tanks
6 dk dps
2 death holy paladins.

[Deleted]

People seem to forget that hunter pets got lots of raid buffs nowadays.

[Kaleid]

Short version = One of each class, hur?

Except their example uses two Warriors.

[Moshy]

Don't forget that warlocks have Dark Intent
And mages have Focus Magic

[Segasik]

2 Tanks -capable of using CD's Preferably one with dps/healing off spec
6 dps -capable of switching targets ,3 range 3 melle preferably one with healin off spec
2 healers -capable of thinking how to get to do not get out of mana after 10 heals
You are ready to conquer the world!

[skyesfury]

For what fight? Some fights require more than one tank. Some fights are more healer intensive. Some fights are a dps race. There's no single best comp.

[Kosma]

Any suggestions would be helpful. Have I made a mistake somewhere? Am I missing a buff/debuff? How would you go about setting up your group based solely on class mechanics, not player skill.

Without a pally, you'll need the shaman to drop resistance totem (aka glyphed healing stream). Without a mage (and a pally), you'll need the warlock to use a felhunter for the +int and +mp5. The warlock also has to sub-spec destro for 5% spell crit debuff on boss.

However, you'll still be missing 3% damage buff (arc mage, ret pally, bm hunter). You're also missing either 5% spell haste or 10% melee haste (or nature resist), depending on whether the shaman drops wrath of air or windfury. On top of this, you'll definitely want a hunter or rogue so you have misdirect or tricks of the trade for threat transfer. So, pick your last 3 spots wisely.

[Meijnrr]

Having 2 warriors in your group makes it almost automatically wrong.

[S0V3R31GN]

2 druid bears 2 druid trees 4 druid boomkins 2 druid kittys

[Jahoota]

2 druid bears 2 druid trees 4 druid boomkins 2 druid kittys

He meant besides the obvious cookie-cutter raid build.

[mstieler]

Agh. I have this on a spreadsheet at home, what classes/specs/pets bring what buffs & debuffs, and how they stack or don't.

Non-stacking buffs make me sad: Might, Fel Intel & Abom might = 10% AP, 92 mp5, 600 Mana, so you may as well just drop the Might.

But yes, a BM hunter (who has picked up a good chunk of Exotics) can easily fill missing Buff/Debuff spots. Hell, even a MM/Surv hunter can bring many of these: -10% AP, Disarm, +30% bleeds, Str/Agi*, Hero/Bloodthirst, -25% cast speed, Hamstring, 8% magic damage taken, -4/8/12% armor, 4% physical damage taken, -20% attack speed, Fortitude*

*note: abilities scale with level, and are equal to similar effects (Horn of Winter/Strength of Earth/Battle Shout, Power Word: Fortitude)

[adibandi]

Elemental Shaman[/B]- Bloodlust, 5% Crit


The other 3 DPS can be whatever you like.
I would say Paladin, Hunter, and Rogue so we can give some love to all of the classes.

QUOTE]


Wait 1 month and ppl will use mages for bloodlust ) that is TIMEWARP

so will be 6% sp + mana and timewarp vs 5% crit + bl + totems

Basicaly the same

[Briellas]

1 Prot warrior 12% armor debuff/shouts
1 DK Tank Horn of winter/Abom Might 10% ap
1 Ret pally Kings/might mp5
1 Rogue 4% physical dmg
1 Hunter surv 10% haste/wolf 5% crit /30%bleed Hyena
1 Mage timewarp/mana pool/food water/ 5%crit or 6% spell power
1 Lock 6% spell dmg/ stam or int spirit with pet 5%crit imp shadowbolt/replenishment
1 ele Sham Lust/hero 10% spell power/ haste totems off healing
1 Priest Fort/spirit/shadow prot
1 Resto Druid Stats/replenishment

Can swap Holy pally for feral Kitty