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    Quote Originally Posted by Jibjabb View Post
    his quote was from what Mel Kiper said. I also raised an eyebrow when Mel said it. I think he was just trying to contribute to the love fest for the kid that Jon Gruden was on.
    Actually that's my opinion from watching the man play, I haven't been watching the draft (Been busy feeling out guilds for my Rogue after my guild xferred). The only knock on this guy is his height, thus why I said if he were 2 inches taller, he'd have been a top 10 pick. Easily takes Tannehill's spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikistos View Post
    Depends on the money, I don't recall how much TJax is making, but the only way Portis is staying is if TJax is too expensive as a 3rd QB.
    My guess is whoever is the loser between Flynn and Tarvaris goes, which we all pretty much know the answer to that really. Tarvaris has 1 year on his contract though. I have no clue about Portis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikistos View Post
    Depends on the money, I don't recall how much TJax is making, but the only way Portis is staying is if TJax is too expensive as a 3rd QB.
    Tavaris Jackson is to expensive at ANY position at any rank. Trust me, I watched literally every single one of his snaps in minnesota. Does he still wear that ridiculous necklace?

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    I love the Nick Toon pick, I saw him play in a couple of Wisconsin games (and a third game where he was hurt which is worrisome) and he was really polished and seems like the perfect kind of Saints receiver

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    Vontaze Burfict went undrafted, as expected. More surprising was Kellen Moore, he doesn't have the physical tools to be an NFL starter, but he's generally considered a highly intelligent guy with a future as a coach, I figured he'd get drafted to be a backup at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coalex View Post
    Might be a good pick. Maybe they don't like Allen? or Allan or w/e his name is.
    I'm fine if they don't like Allen, but a 3rd rounder is usually a guy that's either a starter or at least is expected to contribute significantly. Not only did they take him in the 3rd, but they traded up to get him. Something Ozzie rarely does.

    Ravens Picks:

    2nd round: DE/OLB Courtney Upshaw
    2nd round: OT/OG Kelechi Osemele
    3rd round: RB Bernard Pierce
    4th round: OG/C Gino Gradkowski
    4th round: S Christian Thompson
    5th round: CB Asa Jackson
    6th round: WR Tommy Streeter
    7th round: DE/DT DeAngelo Tyson

    Undrafted FA:

    TE Nick Provo
    C Chris Anzevino
    WR Devin Goda
    QB John Brantley
    CB Charles Brown
    LB Austin Johnson
    DT Nick Jean-Baptiste
    WR Deonte Thompson
    OL Jack Cornell
    SAF Chyl Quarles (no idea what SAF is. Special Teams guy?)

    I'm actually more excited about the UDFA's than I am about the late-round picks. Ravens always seem to find a starter or two as well as major contributors out of these guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikistos View Post
    Vontaze Burfict went undrafted, as expected. More surprising was Kellen Moore, he doesn't have the physical tools to be an NFL starter, but he's generally considered a highly intelligent guy with a future as a coach, I figured he'd get drafted to be a backup at least.
    Burfict signs with the Bengals. That makes so much sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikistos View Post
    Vontaze Burfict went undrafted, as expected. More surprising was Kellen Moore, he doesn't have the physical tools to be an NFL starter, but he's generally considered a highly intelligent guy with a future as a coach, I figured he'd get drafted to be a backup at least.
    That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The guy can flat out read the field, height issues and arm strength be damned. I'd wager he's better at it than half the NFL starters anyways.
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    ProFootballWeekly.com Link

    Also, with the new CBA, teams are restricted to only $76k to spend on UDFA bonus'. In years past, some teams would actually spend more on UDFA's than they would on their 6th or 7th rounders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikistos View Post
    Vontaze Burfict went undrafted, as expected. More surprising was Kellen Moore, he doesn't have the physical tools to be an NFL starter, but he's generally considered a highly intelligent guy with a future as a coach, I figured he'd get drafted to be a backup at least.
    Kellen Moore signed as an undrafted free agent with the Lions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck008 View Post
    Kellen Moore signed as an undrafted free agent with the Lions.
    I know it sounds like I'm a fanboy of his, but don't be surprised if there's a QB controversy. I could easily see Moore tearing up their secondary in the offseason. It's silly how well he reads the field and how accurate to a pinpoint he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badpaladin View Post
    That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The guy can flat out read the field, height issues and arm strength be damned. I'd wager he's better at it than half the NFL starters anyways.
    Still have to be able to get the ball to your recievers. Remember Chad Pennington at the end of his career? Compound those issues with Moore's lack of height and lack of athleticism. The best way to get around having a shorter QB is to move the pocket, and Moore just can't do that at the NFL level. 30 years ago he'd have had a starting job in a WCO, but in this day and age he's just a 3rd string QB for the Lions.


    @ Elbren: I'd wager Pierce is insurance in case Ray Rice leaves after this season. Also, they needed to replace Ricky Williams' carries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikistos View Post
    Still have to be able to get the ball to your recievers. Remember Chad Pennington at the end of his career? Compound those issues with Moore's lack of height and lack of athleticism. The best way to get around having a shorter QB is to move the pocket, and Moore just can't do that at the NFL level. 30 years ago he'd have had a starting job in a WCO, but in this day and age he's just a 3rd string QB for the Lions.


    @ Elbren: I'd wager Pierce is insurance in case Ray Rice leaves after this season. Also, they needed to replace Ricky Williams' carries.
    Drew Brees dropped significantly in draft projections because he lacked arm strength, was too short and his college (supposedly) had a system that allowed him to succeed.

    Time will tell. I'm on the postitive side with the guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badpaladin View Post
    I know it sounds like I'm a fanboy of his, but don't be surprised if there's a QB controversy. I could easily see Moore tearing up their secondary in the offseason. It's silly how well he reads the field and how accurate to a pinpoint he is.
    I'm with you on that one. The kid is extremely accurate and anticipates defenses better than anyone I have seen in college over the last few years. People who haven't watched him play should because he makes some amazing throws. He has the arm strength to place the ball exactly where it needs to be. It may not be elite, but with his anticipation and accuracy, it doesn't have to be. He is so smart with the football as well, something he doesn't get enough credit for. Junior year he had like 39 TD's and only 3 INTS all year. Had about that ratio every year. Incredible. If you watch him play you'll realize he rarely makes bad throws.

    I think he'll pass Shawn Hill and be the backup. Don't see him taking the job over Stafford but he'll be a solid backup, and who knows maybe in a year or two he'll get a shot and make the most of it.

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    I think a Kellen Moore/ Matt Stafford QB controversy is a bit overzealous. He might be the backup, but Stafford just threw for 5000 yards last year. The only way Moore sees any time on the field next year is if the injury bug comes back and bites Stafford again. Dude has had injury problems, but he won't lose the starting job in an open competition. Mostly because there won't be one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badpaladin View Post
    I know it sounds like I'm a fanboy of his, but don't be surprised if there's a QB controversy. I could easily see Moore tearing up their secondary in the offseason. It's silly how well he reads the field and how accurate to a pinpoint he is.
    everybody tears up their secondary, Matt Flynn tore up their secondary

    when you predict undrafted FAs to beat out #1 picks coming off of 5000yard seasons, thats a pretty intense level of fanboydom

    and Drew Brees was a 32nd overall pick, not an undrafted FA, as far as comparisons go, yea, Brees had the some of the same doubts, but then had so many other things in his favor he still was the 2nd QB taken in the draft
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbren View Post
    Burfict signs with the Bengals. That makes so much sense.
    ROTFL. I saw he was undrafted with about 10 picks to go yesterday and if there was a joke to be made it would have been I bet he signs with the Bengals. What is it with that team and their love of troubled players? Grats to Burfict on tanking his draft value by being a complete idiot. "It's not like like I'm the first guy to ever do [weed]"-his excuse for failing his combine drug test.
    Quote Originally Posted by buck008 View Post
    Kellen Moore signed as an undrafted free agent with the Lions.
    Freaking sweet! Now if Stafford rips up his shoulder again we potentially have a backup who isn't Drew Stanton or Shaun Hill.

    The one Lions pick I didn't really like was Broyles. I think he was a tremendous value for where they got him, but we weren't exactly crippled for WR talent on the Lions, in free agency, or left in the draft. I would have much, much rather seen them use that pick on a CB and used a later pick, that they used on a less talented CB, on a WR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draynay View Post
    everybody tears up their secondary, Matt Flynn tore up their secondary
    For all we know, he may end up actually being pretty good. GB did a great job of grooming Rodgers before he came in; don't see any reasons why Flynn can't succeed. Doesn't mean he will, but it's not like he's been thrown into the fray with no experience.

    And no, Brees really didn't have a whole lot more going for him. Chargers picking him baffled the hell out of everybody because there was more talent available. I'm just going by what I've seen. Kellen Moore is ridiculously accurate and he sees the field. Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez have arm strength.

    I'm totally aware that it can go both ways, but I'm confident Moore isn't just going to be a career backup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badpaladin View Post
    For all we know, he may end up actually being pretty good. GB did a great job of grooming Rodgers before he came in; don't see any reasons why Flynn can't succeed. Doesn't mean he will, but it's not like he's been thrown into the fray with no experience.

    And no, Brees really didn't have a whole lot more going for him. Chargers picking him baffled the hell out of everybody because there was more talent available. I'm just going by what I've seen. Kellen Moore is ridiculously accurate and he sees the field. Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez have arm strength.

    I'm totally aware that it can go both ways, but I'm confident Moore isn't just going to be a career backup.

    WOW what? You have a serious level of fanboyism going on here. let me set you straight.

    1) Matt Flynn: Aaron Rodgers was a 1st round pick that got his grooming from sitting behind the best to ever play the position. Matt Flynn was a borderline NFL prospect that was drafted in the 7th round for his intangibles and ended up getting paid based off of his work with the best skill position talent in the NFL, don't be surprised if Flynn can't wrest the job away from Tarvaris Jackson, who is just this side of terrible.

    2) Drew Brees: Jigga what? The ONLY question about Brees coming out of college was his height, and that pick was widely lauded as a brilliant move after John Butler traded OUT of the first pick (Michael Vick) to move down to 5 and pick LT, then still get his QB of the future with the first pick of the 2nd round. Brees was the same height, but he was more athletic (4.67 40 time to Moore's 4.94), had a stronger arm, and played against better competition (Purdue, a Big Ten school.)

    3) The best comparison for Moore would be a poor man's Chad Pennington. Shorter and thinner, and without the barely average arm that Pennington had BEFORE all the injuries.

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    you're killing me with the revisionist history Badpaladin, the 2001 draft had a real dearth of QB talent, you had Vick at #1, Brees was the consensus #2 QB and after that you had guys like Quincy Carter and Mike McMahon or Chris Weinke

    nobody gave the Chargers shit for taking Brees, he was taller than Flutie at least, and they avoided giving a QB first round money, something they were really gunshy about after the '98 draft


    and I remember seeing Flynn play at LSU and he didn't look like a future pro bowler, I'm glad he's getting a chance to play, and I think he'll be decent, but he was a one year starter and his one year was decidedly average, I'd compare him to somebody like Matt Cassel, a guy who can put up good numbers in the right situation but is just average over the long haul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikistos View Post
    WOW what? You have a serious level of fanboyism going on here. let me set you straight.
    1) Sorry, but Farve isn't close to best at his position. Aaron Rodgers is as good as he is now because The Packers are smart and don't rush quarterbacks to perform from day one. They have one of the best-run systems in the NFL, and proper QB-grooming is one of the clearer ones.

    2) Wrong. Brees was percieved as having mediocre arm strength and was seen as a system QB. He took most of his snaps from the shotgun and played in a spread offense, which was looked down upon greatly because it wasn't a pro system. Looking at some draft pick analyses from 2001, the measurables are almost identical between Brees and Moore. Incredible accuracy, poise and quickness in the pocket, exceptional field-reading ability, confidence in passes, too short and not a strong enough arm to make big passes. The only difference is that Brees was a very mobile quarterback outside of the pocket whereas Moore isn't. And I dunno about you, but I didn't see Brees' speed outside of the pocket as the reason for his success.

    3) Have you even seen him play?

    I fail to see how this is a serious level of fanboyism. Have I not made it clear that I know it can go either way? I suppose we could change the definition of fanboy if you'd like.
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