I love the Nick Toon pick, I saw him play in a couple of Wisconsin games (and a third game where he was hurt which is worrisome) and he was really polished and seems like the perfect kind of Saints receiver
Vontaze Burfict went undrafted, as expected. More surprising was Kellen Moore, he doesn't have the physical tools to be an NFL starter, but he's generally considered a highly intelligent guy with a future as a coach, I figured he'd get drafted to be a backup at least.
2nd round: DE/OLB Courtney Upshaw
2nd round: OT/OG Kelechi Osemele
3rd round: RB Bernard Pierce
4th round: OG/C Gino Gradkowski
4th round: S Christian Thompson
5th round: CB Asa Jackson
6th round: WR Tommy Streeter
7th round: DE/DT DeAngelo Tyson
TE Nick Provo
C Chris Anzevino
WR Devin Goda
QB John Brantley
CB Charles Brown
LB Austin Johnson
DT Nick Jean-Baptiste
WR Deonte Thompson
OL Jack Cornell
SAF Chyl Quarles (no idea what SAF is. Special Teams guy?)
I'm actually more excited about the UDFA's than I am about the late-round picks. Ravens always seem to find a starter or two as well as major contributors out of these guys.
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Also, with the new CBA, teams are restricted to only $76k to spend on UDFA bonus'. In years past, some teams would actually spend more on UDFA's than they would on their 6th or 7th rounders.
@ Elbren: I'd wager Pierce is insurance in case Ray Rice leaves after this season. Also, they needed to replace Ricky Williams' carries.
I think he'll pass Shawn Hill and be the backup. Don't see him taking the job over Stafford but he'll be a solid backup, and who knows maybe in a year or two he'll get a shot and make the most of it.
I think a Kellen Moore/ Matt Stafford QB controversy is a bit overzealous. He might be the backup, but Stafford just threw for 5000 yards last year. The only way Moore sees any time on the field next year is if the injury bug comes back and bites Stafford again. Dude has had injury problems, but he won't lose the starting job in an open competition. Mostly because there won't be one.
when you predict undrafted FAs to beat out #1 picks coming off of 5000yard seasons, thats a pretty intense level of fanboydom
and Drew Brees was a 32nd overall pick, not an undrafted FA, as far as comparisons go, yea, Brees had the some of the same doubts, but then had so many other things in his favor he still was the 2nd QB taken in the draft
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The one Lions pick I didn't really like was Broyles. I think he was a tremendous value for where they got him, but we weren't exactly crippled for WR talent on the Lions, in free agency, or left in the draft. I would have much, much rather seen them use that pick on a CB and used a later pick, that they used on a less talented CB, on a WR.
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And no, Brees really didn't have a whole lot more going for him. Chargers picking him baffled the hell out of everybody because there was more talent available. I'm just going by what I've seen. Kellen Moore is ridiculously accurate and he sees the field. Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez have arm strength.
I'm totally aware that it can go both ways, but I'm confident Moore isn't just going to be a career backup.
WOW what? You have a serious level of fanboyism going on here. let me set you straight.
1) Matt Flynn: Aaron Rodgers was a 1st round pick that got his grooming from sitting behind the best to ever play the position. Matt Flynn was a borderline NFL prospect that was drafted in the 7th round for his intangibles and ended up getting paid based off of his work with the best skill position talent in the NFL, don't be surprised if Flynn can't wrest the job away from Tarvaris Jackson, who is just this side of terrible.
2) Drew Brees: Jigga what? The ONLY question about Brees coming out of college was his height, and that pick was widely lauded as a brilliant move after John Butler traded OUT of the first pick (Michael Vick) to move down to 5 and pick LT, then still get his QB of the future with the first pick of the 2nd round. Brees was the same height, but he was more athletic (4.67 40 time to Moore's 4.94), had a stronger arm, and played against better competition (Purdue, a Big Ten school.)
3) The best comparison for Moore would be a poor man's Chad Pennington. Shorter and thinner, and without the barely average arm that Pennington had BEFORE all the injuries.
you're killing me with the revisionist history Badpaladin, the 2001 draft had a real dearth of QB talent, you had Vick at #1, Brees was the consensus #2 QB and after that you had guys like Quincy Carter and Mike McMahon or Chris Weinke
nobody gave the Chargers shit for taking Brees, he was taller than Flutie at least, and they avoided giving a QB first round money, something they were really gunshy about after the '98 draft
and I remember seeing Flynn play at LSU and he didn't look like a future pro bowler, I'm glad he's getting a chance to play, and I think he'll be decent, but he was a one year starter and his one year was decidedly average, I'd compare him to somebody like Matt Cassel, a guy who can put up good numbers in the right situation but is just average over the long haul
2) Wrong. Brees was percieved as having mediocre arm strength and was seen as a system QB. He took most of his snaps from the shotgun and played in a spread offense, which was looked down upon greatly because it wasn't a pro system. Looking at some draft pick analyses from 2001, the measurables are almost identical between Brees and Moore. Incredible accuracy, poise and quickness in the pocket, exceptional field-reading ability, confidence in passes, too short and not a strong enough arm to make big passes. The only difference is that Brees was a very mobile quarterback outside of the pocket whereas Moore isn't. And I dunno about you, but I didn't see Brees' speed outside of the pocket as the reason for his success.
3) Have you even seen him play?
I fail to see how this is a serious level of fanboyism. Have I not made it clear that I know it can go either way? I suppose we could change the definition of fanboy if you'd like.