CD on Heart of the Phoenix

[Vjj Salad]

A little curious why demo locks can rez their pet every 2 minutes with demonic rebirth but hunters can only insta rez their pet every 8 minutes and that only applies to ferocity pets. Also that Blizz removed improved revive pet which helped a lot with the lesser cast time, kinda wondering why we got the shaft on this one.

[MortalWombat]

Do you want a bunch of bullshit or an honest answer?

Bullshit: Because your classes are different and blizzard is against homogenization and decided warlocks needed it more than hunters.

Honest: No clue, I'm wondering why warlocks are so OP in the pet rezzing department while DKs and hunters are still the same or a little worse than before.

[todzilla85]

why is your pet dying in the first place?

[Dr. Max Del]

why is your pet dying in the first place?

passive aoe that's hitting the pet for the full amount due to it not being considered an aoe and the pet isnt "smart enough" to move even though you instructed the pet to "stand here".

i point to the lava pool in stonecore on the 2nd boss...

ugh tail swipes better not hit pets...

[Vjj Salad]

why is your pet dying in the first place?

Hunter pets, actually pets in general die very fast in pvp with the removal of resilience for pets so pets are getting 2 to 4 shotted depending on the class, thats why my pet is dying.

[Deleted]

Pets die. Demons are just sent back into the void. There's quite a difference there.

[Dr. Max Del]

Hunter pets, actually pets in general die very fast in pvp with the removal of resilience for pets so pets are getting 2 to 4 shotted depending on the class, thats why my pet is dying.

resil was removed from pets?

[BMBLB]

because warlocks don't rez their pet. they summon demons. summoning is a much simpler process than bringing a dead animal back to life

[Nazramu]

I didn't think resilience was removed from pets. I just thought they removed the crit chance reduction, and the fact that it doesn't work on NPCs.

[Vjj Salad]

You are right resilience was not removed from pets, that was my bad. Anyway back to my original post that the Cool Down on Heart of the Phoenix is just way too long compared to Demonic Rebirth, I am pretty sure most of the hunter community would agree with me on this, if this isn't changed at least lower the cast time on revive pet to make up for it.

[Madlax]

You also want to note that warlocks can summon their demon instantly with soulburn.

Pets die. Demons are just sent back into the void. There's quite a difference there.

Can't have all the other peoples goodies now can we...

[ASO]

resil was removed from pets?

I didn't think they ever got around to giving it to pets.


Also I think this is more of a lore question: demons are enslaved minions forced to do the bidding of the warlock and thus when they "die" (banished back from whence they came, this is actually mentioned as what happens when you "kill" a demon normally in a few quests) they can be pulled back into this reality by their master. At the same time, hunter pets are real animals that are just our loyal pals.

[MortalWombat]

because warlocks don't rez their pet. they summon demons. summoning is a much simpler process than bringing a dead animal back to life

But what if the demon died from another warlock's Drain Soul?

[bamfrosty]

Pets don't inherit resilience since the patch. They can easily be killed in a couple globals by most classes, so that whole "your pet shouldn't be dying in the first place" crap is really completely invalid, especially considering how easy locks get it.

[Night Wind]

I didn't think they ever got around to giving it to pets.


Also I think this is more of a lore question: demons are enslaved minions forced to do the bidding of the warlock and thus when they "die" (banished back from whence they came, this is actually mentioned as what happens when you "kill" a demon normally in a few quests) they can be pulled back into this reality by their master. At the same time, hunter pets are real animals that are just our loyal pals.

so my pet should get insta-gibbed by players and have a 10second rez and a 8min rez CD (ferocity only) while warlocks get instant cast/rez and a 2min insta rez CD because of stupid lore? Some people dont care about lore >.<

Great! Lore 1
Gameplay 0

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HotP should be available to ALL pets trees (C,F,T) on a 2-3min CD but i doubt blizzard will do it.

[Rumbie]

I think it's mainly because of the damage reduction warlocks get from their pets. Hunters have abilities that can keep themselves alive like deterrence FD and disengage, warlocks rely on that damage reduction from their pet, they do however have abilities like summoning portal and drain life but the pets damage reduction is the biggest thing. This is why in almost every 3v3 arena I see when they go for the warlock they always kill the pet first, when people try to kill me in pvp, they really only try to kill my pet if they catch it out of los of my healer and me AND they cant attack anything else but my pet atm because they are pulling back or something. Simply put in pvp, it's worth it to kill the warlocks pet no matter what the situation if you're trying to kill the warlock while it isn't always worth it to kill the hunters pet.

[grassidas]

What they should have done is add a -4/6 sec rez component in mend pet. No need for talent redesign/add another talent etc. It would be accessible for all specs at level 82. Why they aren't gonna do it: they have a metric shit ton of stuff to fix first, then start to consider such "minor" things.

[jaimelannister]

I think it's mainly because of the damage reduction warlocks get from their pets. Hunters have abilities that can keep themselves alive like deterrence FD and disengage, warlocks rely on that damage reduction from their pet, they do however have abilities like summoning portal and drain life but the pets damage reduction is the biggest thing. This is why in almost every 3v3 arena I see when they go for the warlock they always kill the pet first, when people try to kill me in pvp, they really only try to kill my pet if they catch it out of los of my healer and me AND they cant attack anything else but my pet atm because they are pulling back or something. Simply put in pvp, it's worth it to kill the warlocks pet no matter what the situation if you're trying to kill the warlock while it isn't always worth it to kill the hunters pet.

The reason people kill Warlock pets in PvP has very little to do with the extra survivability it gives the Warlock and very much to do with the utility they provide, particularly a buff-eating, cast-interrupting felhound. At least, that's how it was pre-4.0.1. Not sure if their pet functionality has changed significantly since then. In BGs, I ignore all pets unless I want to annoy a Hunter.

I was very sad to see Imp Revive Pet gone from BM, as I found it an essential talent for BM PvP specs. If BM is ever going to be a serious arena spec, Hunters need a better way to get their pets back from the dead other than an 8-minute cooldown (which not all pets can even get). Though, with how terrible Hunters currently are in PvP, perhaps this is a bit low down on the list of things they need to fix for this class.

[thunderzz]

havent tried HOP

[Vjj Salad]

Alright well In my opinion either add imp revive pet to the BM tree maybe 2Nd tier so all hunters can benefit from this if they choose to, or make Heart of the Phoenix available to all pets when speccing them and make it a 2-3 minute cd, this would allow it to not be used a couple times in arena if the battle is long or they burn your pet pet etc etc And if you pet dies from a boss you have this option a couple times as well which is very nice.