Anyone else think HoG needs a glyph?

[Saverem]

HoG is the only 31 Warlock talent that doesn't have a glyph associated with it. Would be nice if it had a Prime glyph that decreased its CD by 2s (would make refreshing Immo a lot easier) and/or a Major glyph that increased it's aura by 5 yards.

What do you guys think? If you like it, feel free to suggest it on the Beta forums if you have access.

[Micke]

I think cata spells will get a glyph later in the expansion like they did for wrath

[fizikz]

they dont want to give glyphs to every new ability right away because then you would never experience the ability without the glyph attached to it.

[Ekeln]

The poster above me has the right of it. I'd definitely love to tack another 4-6 yards onto Hand of Gul'Dan's debuff zone.

[Greyarea]

I would like a 2 second CD reduction to help with the PvE aspect of keeping immolate up when we hit 85 and are struggling to have 15% spell haste. It's going to be a royal pain to reliably keep immolate refreshed with HoG when you have roughly a second to do it in due to CD, cast time and travel time.

[lawlpoo]

HoG is the only 31 Warlock talent that doesn't have a glyph associated with it. Would be nice if it had a Prime glyph that decreased its CD by 2s (would make refreshing Immo a lot easier) and/or a Major glyph that increased it's aura by 5 yards.

What do you guys think? If you like it, feel free to suggest it on the Beta forums if you have access.

You don't have to spec 31 points in to demo get HoG. Just saying...

[Meejum]

I would like a 2 second CD reduction to help with the PvE aspect of keeping immolate up when we hit 85 and are struggling to have 15% spell haste. It's going to be a royal pain to reliably keep immolate refreshed with HoG when you have roughly a second to do it in due to CD, cast time and travel time.

At 81 you will get fel flame, instant cast, refreshes immolate. So at 85, there should be little worry, unless you are completely oom, of being able to refresh immo. And with the 4 piece bonus for t11, it seems blizz wants locks to use that fel flame.

Greater aura range would be an awesome glyph for pvp, and probably the way they should go. PvE wise, you could make is cost less mana or hit harder, but those have already been used for other spells and are pretty blah.

[Saverem]

At 81 you will get fel flame, instant cast, refreshes immolate. So at 85, there should be little worry, unless you are completely oom, of being able to refresh immo. And with the 4 piece bonus for t11, it seems blizz wants locks to use that fel flame.

Greater aura range would be an awesome glyph for pvp, and probably the way they should go. PvE wise, you could make is cost less mana or hit harder, but those have already been used for other spells and are pretty blah.

It doesn't refresh Immo, it just adds 6s to its duration.

[6kle]

I would like a 2 second CD reduction to help with the PvE aspect of keeping immolate up when we hit 85 and are struggling to have 15% spell haste. It's going to be a royal pain to reliably keep immolate refreshed with HoG when you have roughly a second to do it in due to CD, cast time and travel time.

I'm against fixing spells with glyphs. It should be able to refresh immolate baseline. Glyphs should add something extra to a spell that already works well without it. What is the point of having glyphs if they only fix bugs or bad design?

[Thewiz]

You don't have to spec 31 points in to demo get HoG. Just saying...

This.

[Buuddah]

At 81 you will get fel flame, instant cast, refreshes immolate. So at 85, there should be little worry, unless you are completely oom, of being able to refresh immo. And with the 4 piece bonus for t11, it seems blizz wants locks to use that fel flame.

Greater aura range would be an awesome glyph for pvp, and probably the way they should go. PvE wise, you could make is cost less mana or hit harder, but those have already been used for other spells and are pretty blah.

HoG with less mana? Isn't it already on 250-350? something?

[Jahrastafari]

You don't have to spec 31 points in to demo get HoG. Just saying...

Actually, yeah you do. HoG is in the 4th tier, meaning you're going to have to put 31 points in demo, minimum, to get it before you can put points in another tree.

[Meejum]

HoG with less mana? Isn't it already on 250-350? something?

right, which is why a pve glyph for HoG, using some of the current warlock nuke glyphs as a guide, would be very underwhelming.

[Ekeln]

right, which is why a pve glyph for HoG, using some of the current warlock nuke glyphs as a guide, would be very underwhelming.

Widening its void zone would be great for PVE and PVP both, especially once you factor Aura of Foreboding into the equation.

[Meejum]

Widening its void zone would be great for PVE and PVP both, especially once you factor Aura of Foreboding into the equation.

agree completely for pvp and for leveling to 85 or dungeons, sure. However at 85, or even now at 80, Im not sold on taking AoF for a raid build, unless mechanics pan out that we will somehow need to root things, and in that event, glyphed fear is an option anyways. I dont think I want rooted mobs taking swipes at random melee cause the tank maybe just out of their range. Widening the zone available for the HoG effect, ie giving the demons potentially more mobs to crit on, might be useful for raids, but other than trash, I would think it wouldnt help a whole lot on boss fights.

time will tell

[The GameMaster]

Increasing the radius of the spell would be interesting, but I think it would be more interesting to say something like this...

Currently fully talented it roots targets in the area for 3s and 6s after HoG lands it also stuns for 3s... instead of 6 seconds for the stun part to occur about when glyphed it takes 3 seconds instead.

In doing this basically means immediately after the 3 second root the person will be stuned for 3s more instead of having time to get out of the area.

Just another idea though.

[Bakis]

At 81 you will get fel flame, instant cast, refreshes immolate. So at 85, there should be little worry, unless you are completely oom, of being able to refresh immo. And with the 4 piece bonus for t11, it seems blizz wants locks to use that fel flame.

Greater aura range would be an awesome glyph for pvp, and probably the way they should go. PvE wise, you could make is cost less mana or hit harder, but those have already been used for other spells and are pretty blah.

Felflame damage is really low if I remember correctly, would not be good design to force ppl to use a spell meant to use on the move/pvp to keep their rotation up. Will be a big damagedump to use a GCD on that.
Sure, it's a bigger dump of damage to let immo fall off but I rather see a -cd glyph correcting this than throwing yet another spell into the rotation of demo.

As of PvP, demo really lack cos of a long casttime on SB/Incin, HoG is really the only decent semifast spell demo got that does good damage.
So hands up for a -cd glyph with PvP in mind as well.

[Ekeln]

I see Fel Flame as part of the rotation for Demo players that are humping a haste threshold without any way to raise or lower it to compensate for HoG refreshes. When you only need 6 seconds more on your Immolate duration, and then you can refresh it back to 15 seconds a couple seconds later, that's fine.

For Destro, if you're not moving, you're losing DPS by refreshing with Fel Flame by virtue of it taking up a GCD every 6 seconds, when you could just recast Immolate as it falls off and have the whole 15 seconds to dps with spells that matter.

[Lucetia]

You don't have to spec 31 points in to demo get HoG. Just saying...

Pretty much this. The 31 point talent for the tree is Metamorphosis which has a glyph and no, not all classes have a glyph for their 31 point talent. Prot Paladins, Ret Paladins, Unholy DK's, Resto druids (minor being appearance doesn't count). I'm sure there are more but those are the ones on the top of my head.

[UnholyGuardian]

i like the few extra yards idea