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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrior View Post
    Oh and this one is in general to all the eva nuts. Why do s many people keep saying evas ending is confusing? I mean i don't get it and it seems pretty straightforward to me but I'm just wondering if someone could explain it to me.
    It wasnt particularly confusing, it's just that at the end they tried for a greater meaning/meaning of life and existance and they kinda lost the point to it leaving you wandering why they even bothered with it, but then there are a few mech ones that have the same type of ending(rah-xephon off the top of my head)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lagwin View Post
    It wasnt particularly confusing, it's just that at the end they tried for a greater meaning/meaning of life and existance and they kinda lost the point to it leaving you wandering why they even bothered with it, but then there are a few mech ones that have the same type of ending(rah-xephon off the top of my head)
    See that's how i feel as well. But most people when i say i don;t like eva just keep spouting off how you NEED to see the movies to understand it or that there is no way to "get it" without them or that you're just too stupid to get it.

    Also i found Raxhephon to be FAR better than Eva myself. Fafner too actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrior View Post
    Several things.

    1 Harui ISN'T based on a manga but light novel series and TBH the manga will probably follow the anime more than the light novel.

    2 Chobits was NEVEE meant to be a comedy as far as i know if you want comedy see DEARS Chobits was meant to be more of a dark series.

    3. Being a guy has NOTHING to do with liking Shuffle and Elfen lied since males were the target audience to begin with. Thus putting you right where you belong. Now if it were something like Fushigi Yugi or another shoujo show then maybe but trust me those are aimed at men.

    4.If you think Eva and elfen lied are depressing you REALLY need to try Bokurano and Shadow Star Narutaru those will mess you up eva and Elfen lied are like kids series compared to what those shows do. Most people are amazed that Dark Horse dropped Narutaru for being too dark.

    5. Umm what kinda forums have you been on. Most gamer forums know anime to not be just porn or kids sows but a mix as broad as anything. Alot of people just hate it for some reason. I mean i don;t think i've ever been on a gamer forum that thinks anime is all porn or pokemon.

    Oh and this one is in general to all the eva nuts. Why do s many people keep saying evas ending is confusing? I mean i don't get it and it seems pretty straightforward to me but I'm just wondering if someone could explain it to me.
    1 i probably should have clarified i didn't know for sure where haruhi originated from. i just repeated what i've been told...i shouldn't be surprised either since the person that told me is a bit of a flake.

    3 actually i can believe that. i suppose one could argue the target audience for shuffle but can still see what you mean.

    4 I'll have to look for them. saddly hulu is the only decent place for me to find anime online now a days. -.-;

    5 Actually that's a sigh of relief. Saddly i guess this is where i admit that this is mostly the only forum website that i frequent. and the wow community site too if i need to look up something game related.

    As for the eva comment i never said I personally saw it as confusing. I enjoyed it, but i keep hearing people say it is like that for them. honestly i don't get it either. (not the anime the mentality about it) i suppose i can understand if they saw the serious without the movie and had to stop and scratch their head about the last few episodes. even i had to watch it a second time before i caught on. but i do agree the rest of the series is more or less straight forward. at least enough that it shouldn't be an issue.
    O.o

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrior View Post
    See that's how i feel as well. But most people when i say i don;t like eva just keep spouting off how you NEED to see the movies to understand it or that there is no way to "get it" without them or that you're just too stupid to get it.

    Also i found Raxhephon to be FAR better than Eva myself. Fafner too actually.
    The movies being The End and Death and Rebirth? or the newer retelling that they have been doing for the last year or so?
    if it's the first 2 arnt they just the series condenced and buchered into a movie version(been so long since i watched them)
    Eva was one of the early ones i watched and there are some exclent combat sceens in it and i would agree with you that RahXephon is better, the only downside to these animes are the bloody irritating whiney mentaly unstable lead...if they were real i would hit them for being so anoying :P

    Not actualy seen fafner yet but Argento Soma was quite good aswell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinreal View Post
    1 i probably should have clarified i didn't know for sure where haruhi originated from. i just repeated what i've been told...i shouldn't be surprised either since the person that told me is a bit of a flake.

    3 actually i can believe that. i suppose one could argue the target audience for shuffle but can still see what you mean.

    4 I'll have to look for them. saddly hulu is the only decent place for me to find anime online now a days. -.-;

    5 Actually that's a sigh of relief. Saddly i guess this is where i admit that this is mostly the only forum website that i frequent. and the wow community site too if i need to look up something game related.

    As for the eva comment i never said I personally saw it as confusing. I enjoyed it, but i keep hearing people say it is like that for them. honestly i don't get it either. (not the anime the mentality about it) i suppose i can understand if they saw the serious without the movie and had to stop and scratch their head about the last few episodes. even i had to watch it a second time before i caught on. but i do agree the rest of the series is more or less straight forward. at least enough that it shouldn't be an issue.
    See i didn;t even see the movies and i didn;t find it confusing even the first time i saw it.

    Also most people don;t even know about VN and about the HULU thing don;t expect to see em there while Narutaru is licensed(or was at least from what i know) Bokurano has not been and thus you wouldn't find it there try some places that we can't talk about here. Just ya know expect to see stuff that most people can;t handle it seems.

    Oh and as for shuffle trust me it;s a male oriented show. You know Kanon and Clannad are male oriented as well. So are ALOT of series you might not think are while some you might think are aren't.

    Oh right and the genre name is either eroge gal game or dating sim take your pick.

    BTW if you wanna see something even semi amazing look at my sig it tracks anime you;ve seen and this one doesn't even have everything i've seen since they don't count hentai and multiple viewing. I may also help you find some good series to watch.

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    Requesting help considering anime! Me and my boyfriend are trying to fill the huge hole FMA and FMA:BH left when we finished watching them.

    We're currently watching Fairy Tail and it's fun, enjoyable and we like it, but we're soon done with it. I've tried to find some anime by recommendations in this thread, and on anime-planet it seems like it's not possible to search for several different tags at the same time there. I search for shounen, and I get everything from Dragonball, Yu-gi-oh to Naruto and One Piece.

    In other words.
    We're looked for an anime which is shounen fighting-ish, which is fun and enjoyable to watch, with a good standard and preferably a slight hint of romance. Can anyone help us? >: Second thought, any outstanding anime will ofcourse do, but fighting shounen is prefered.

    Edit: Anime we've watched:
    FMA, FMA:BH, FMP!, FMP! fumoffu, FMP!SR, Naruto, One Piece (haven't watched, I just dislike it :P), Bleach, Fairy Tail, Hajime no Ippo.
    Romance and fighthing hmmm id Say either Rosario to Vampire or Dance in the vampire bund

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lagwin View Post
    The movies being The End and Death and Rebirth? or the newer retelling that they have been doing for the last year or so?
    if it's the first 2 arnt they just the series condenced and buchered into a movie version(been so long since i watched them)
    Eva was one of the early ones i watched and there are some exclent combat sceens in it and i would agree with you that RahXephon is better, the only downside to these animes are the bloody irritating whiney mentaly unstable lead...if they were real i would hit them for being so anoying :P

    Not actualy seen fafner yet but Argento Soma was quite good aswell.
    Mmm i meant death and rebirth and all that. The original ones you know. Oh and with Fafner while i liked it get ready to see Shin kira and Athrun again Yep it;s the same character designer as Seed, Heroic Age and so many other shows. i swear that guy just reuses the same designs over and over. Amazingly the ONE time that art director didn't just make clones it was in Kurogane no Linebarrels and that was probably because a manga came first and he was trying to use at as a base.

    Oh and amazingly i DO like Gundam Seed as well as Heroic Age. What's even more amazing is that i DON'T like Akira and Eva which are considered by many to be among the best anime ever made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holywraths View Post
    Romance and fighthing hmmm id Say either Rosario to Vampire or Dance in the vampire bund
    You think they can handle all the loli in Bund though? I mean i like the show even have most of the manag that's been pubished here(just missing gaiden) but it's really the kinda thing that isn't for everyone.

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    If someone have some good Series With some fight and romance or just fighting PM me What ive watched so far
    Fairy Tail, Code geass, Rosario to Vampire, Dance in the vampire bund, Claymore, Shigofumi : Letters from the Departed, Kampfer and some other i forgot.
    Some i have started and intention on finishing: Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica, The Legend of the Legendary Heroes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holywraths View Post
    Romance and fighthing hmmm id Say either Rosario to Vampire or Dance in the vampire bund
    Like Sorrior says for dance in the vampire...thought the only reasony anyone realy watched it was for the loli...ended up droping it by episode 4

    @Sorrior's last post...yeah well i like akira, eva, seed and heroic age...but then one of the reasons i like watching anime is the visulisation of stuff that you wouldnt even get close to in movies(well maybe now you would)
    Akira the fight between tetsuio and kaneda when kaneda gets the laser rifle and tetsuio flying into space to get destroy the satalite
    Theres a load in Eva but its on the pure destrusctive side of the Eva units like picking up a ship to use as a sheild.
    and Heroic age was a combo of good story and exclent visulisation on the action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holywraths View Post
    or just fighting
    Like Imentioned, the Hellsing OVAs are great. Very violent and entertaining.
    The only shonen with a lot of action that I can support would be Soul Eater.

    Quote Originally Posted by Holywraths View Post
    Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica
    Surprisingly good.
    I kinda wanna go and watch Nahona since I hear tell that its similar.
    "Care about 'er? I love her! I'd kill everyone in the world and myself if she wanted it!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lagwin View Post

    @Sorrior's last post...yeah well i like akira, eva, seed and heroic age...but then one of the reasons i like watching anime is the visulisation of stuff that you wouldnt even get close to in movies(well maybe now you would)
    Akira the fight between tetsuio and kaneda when kaneda gets the laser rifle and tetsuio flying into space to get destroy the satalite
    Theres a load in Eva but its on the pure destrusctive side of the Eva units like picking up a ship to use as a sheild.
    and Heroic age was a combo of good story and exclent visulisation on the action.
    I think it was more the hype over them that ruined em for me. I mean everyone kept saying I'd see these epic gamechangers but even looking at what has been done before their respective release dates alot what they did had been done before.

    Oh and about Bund yeah as i said it;'s not for everyone.

    Now for fighting series wise try Isekai Sekishi Monogatai the violence isn;t all that common but when it has fights BY THE GODS are they kickass. Another one might be Scryed or Needless Also as i've said before Tekkaman Blade or Guyver should work well. Oh and Ichiban Ushiro no Daimou the main character fucking BRAWLS WITH A DRAGON AND WINS i'm sorry but the badass there is just nigh impossible to beat.

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    Couldn't be bothered trying to quote everyone talking about it:

    Evangelion, the tv series, was good except for the last few episodes. That was mostly due to budget issues though. The movies were very meh to me, and did a shitty job of tying everything up. The revamp is FUCKING AMAZING and I absolutely cannot wait for the 3rd movie. Also, if at all possible you should watch the movies in Blu-Ray. Anything less is not doing them justice, so beautiful...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakiami View Post
    Couldn't be bothered trying to quote everyone talking about it:

    Evangelion, the tv series, was good except for the last few episodes. That was mostly due to budget issues though. The movies were very meh to me, and did a shitty job of tying everything up. The revamp is FUCKING AMAZING and I absolutely cannot wait for the 3rd movie. Also, if at all possible you should watch the movies in Blu-Ray. Anything less is not doing them justice, so beautiful...
    I got the first remake on blu ray for five buck. New i used a Best Buy coupon for it. As for 2 it's a low priority and i only even got 1cause i meant to go see 2 at a local pub/theatre didn't wok out so i've still havn;t seen either of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shishca View Post
    well before i go to sleep random epic song!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvHCi...el_video_title
    Nice one of my favorites from that show though This one is even more epic


    As for epic in general listen and be awakened to true glory



    Oh and in general be wary of music posts around me i've been known to spend HOURS just looking for good versions of songs i enjoy. ending up with over 20 songs on occasion.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZFca...eature=related

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    Oh forgot this one as well just wish i could find a full version.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrior View Post
    Several things.

    1 Harui ISN'T based on a manga but light novel series and TBH the manga will probably follow the anime more than the light novel.

    2 Chobits was NEVEE meant to be a comedy as far as i know if you want comedy see DEARS Chobits was meant to be more of a dark series.

    3. Being a guy has NOTHING to do with liking Shuffle and Elfen lied since males were the target audience to begin with. Thus putting you right where you belong. Now if it were something like Fushigi Yugi or another shoujo show then maybe but trust me those are aimed at men.

    4.If you think Eva and elfen lied are depressing you REALLY need to try Bokurano and Shadow Star Narutaru those will mess you up eva and Elfen lied are like kids series compared to what those shows do. Most people are amazed that Dark Horse dropped Narutaru for being too dark.

    5. Umm what kinda forums have you been on. Most gamer forums know anime to not be just porn or kids sows but a mix as broad as anything. Alot of people just hate it for some reason. I mean i don;t think i've ever been on a gamer forum that thinks anime is all porn or pokemon.

    Oh and this one is in general to all the eva nuts. Why do s many people keep saying evas ending is confusing? I mean i don't get it and it seems pretty straightforward to me but I'm just wondering if someone could explain it to me.
    In regards to 4. I"ve watched both Eva and Elfen Lied so i felt like you were calling me out on those xD so i've watched 6/13 of Shadow Star Narutaru in a row~ So far i don't think it's worse than Eva or Elfen Lied yet, but maybe it gets darker and more twisted i dunno =O I just know the main reason Eva and Elfen Lied actually came as a lil shocker and "slightly" disturbing in some sense to me is because it really got me wrapped up and sucked into it to a point i actually had a sense of attachment to certain characters, thus emphasizing the effects of when something went really wrong~~ Could also be i've grown more insensitive towards disturbing stuff too o.o who knows because i did watch those 2 a few years back like when i was 15/16 years old i believe~~ Anyways i should finish that series "Shadow Star Narutaru" within a day or two, and i will try the other one as well~ I will report back in when i' m done ^_^!
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    I've seen just about every one of these non obscure animes :<

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonedrifter View Post
    My friend had gave me the whole Box set with soundtrack as a early birthday gift =O!
    grats!
    (when is/was your bd?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lagwin View Post
    There was somthing about samurai champloo the made me stop watching about half way through...watched it 3 times to the half way point untill i finaly got all the way done...dont know what it was about it that made me stop the first few time though same with wolfs rain(going to give it another shot since it was just brought up)
    i guess for many people it just gets boring after a while. both stories are about a long journey (at least in Samurai Champloo there are many comedy scenes or random side stories in between) and some people would prefer to see more "stuff happening" or faster story progression.
    but, in Wolf's Rain at least, that's a big part of what makes the anime's atmosphere so special.

    Quote Originally Posted by kinreal View Post
    wow i'm surprised i didn't find this thread sooner. i'm more of a manga fan myself but since Most of the manga i have are anime as well it shouldn't be too much an issue.
    as it has been said, you're welcome to talk about manga too, as long as you clearly tell people what you're talking about (it tends to get very confusing otherwise^^) and the main discussion(s) stays on anime
    i can understand why people had mixed feelings about Samurai Champloo. it has a lot of moments where they try to add today's rap culture into feudal japan. probably why it gets such a good comedy billing though.
    yeah, i love how they managed to mix those two (and it really makes some good comedy) but in the end, i'm just no fan of rap/hip-hop in general. so while i think the idea was good and well implemented, there was always something that kind of annoyed me, especially since i'm a person who LOVES good/fitting soundtracks
    I'd say the description of full metal was spot on. fumofuu was more or less an entire season of filler episodes.
    thanks^^
    Fumoffu didn't really have a story, that's true. but i wouldn't exactly call them filler, since they were very intentionally made with focus on single comedy episodes (and they are awesome xD).
    i tried to read the chobits manga but didn't get far....didn't strike me as a comedy though.
    about the first half of it was pretty much only comedy, as far as i remember.
    it does get drama-ish nearing the end (and it had some of the saddest scenes i know), but i'd still call it a comedy anime, rather than a drama/romance anime (note: my list is purposely subjective, i don't claim those genres to be the "right" or official ones).
    Okay yea, i'm a dude, but oddly enough i have seen Shuffle and EflenLied.
    i'm a dude too ;]
    and both are actually catered more to a male audience.
    i watched shuffle cause of an amv i saw and later found out it is based off of one of those "dating sim" games. there is a technical term for what they are called but i forget.
    i guess you're talking about eroge.

    a surprisingly large part of good romance anime originally came from eroge (even some like Air, Kanon or Kimi ga Nozomu Eien). the only thing that can be said about this kind of anime though, at least from my personal experience, is that the girl-characters all look very cute/attractive (and not everyone always equals "attractive" with "big breats and scant clothing" btw xD).
    Air and Kanon for example lack pretty much any sexual note and don't even make much use of the harem-concept (even though it's there too).
    I liked ElfenLied because i enjoy the odd little psychological factor it throws in. its not a large part of the story but its enough that it kept me entertained. Probably in the same way that i liked Neon Genesis Evangelion. Which is another one that's probably going to leave you curled up in a corner sucking your thumb trying to figure out what just happened after its over.
    nice way to put it, and i agree^^
    I will say that i'm pissed i haven't gotten to ever finish Wolf's Rain. i've seen a handful of the beginning episodes but that's all. i enjoyed it and wouldn't mind finishing it as i keep hearing good things about it.
    many will just be bored by it, but those who don't mind a slowly flowing story with quite some unexplained (but nonetheless great) fantasy stuff will probably like it a lot
    As for death note....well....i've found i'm one of the few people in existence that didn't like it.

    some of the plans and counter plans just went TOO well in my opinion.
    well, there always have to be some people who don't like an anime, right?^^
    but i have to agree, some of the plans just seemed a little too easy going compared to their complexity.
    i have seen two seasons of Gunslinger Girl and i could actually see that falling into the drama/romance section. as creepy as that may seem. i understand how and why it was placed where it was though. second season was pretty different from the first though so i have mixed feelings about that. Honestly i'd say to anyone curious to just watch it and form your own opinion.
    it's certainly more drama than action, but i don't think you could really call it a romance anime.
    yes, there might be some hints on what one may call a romantical relationship between the "siblings" (or at least hopes/wishes of the girls regarding such a relationship), but i guess that's mostly speculation (it's been quite a while since i watched it though, i may be wrong) and it takes more than a few hints to really be a worthy "romance" anime per se
    When they Cry was actually REALLY Impressive.
    indeed. sadly, i'm a complete sissy when it comes to (well made) horror stuff, so i never watched too much of it^^
    Princess Mononoke was interesting. i would also have to agree that Sy's description in the op was pretty much spot on. *thumbs up*
    thanks
    I also enjoyed Mushi-shi. its a good little leisurely anime. not really action, drama or anything really. there is no over all story arch either but it works. its more or less about a doctor that takes care of medical issues brought about by what i guess you could describe as super natural creatures. there was a live action movie made too but that was pretty bad as it tried to get the whole series into something like an hour and a half.
    i think i'll need to watch this one some time, i heard pretty good things about it.
    Thanks Sy for making this thread btw. i'm glad there are places anime lovers can chat without some tool walking in and declaring it all porn without even watching any.
    you're welcome =)
    although i've not been the one keeping the thread alive for quite a while now^^

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrior View Post
    Chobits was NEVEE meant to be a comedy as far as i know if you want comedy see DEARS Chobits was meant to be more of a dark series.
    "dark"? not really.
    i don't know what it was officially "meant" to be and many people may not agree with the big 'comedy' tag i put upon it, but i think you can't honestly call more than a very few specific scenes of the last episodes "dark", even if it get's pretty sad.
    Umm what kinda forums have you been on. Most gamer forums know anime to not be just porn or kids sows but a mix as broad as anything. Alot of people just hate it for some reason. I mean i don;t think i've ever been on a gamer forum that thinks anime is all porn or pokemon.
    in a forum as big as mmoc, with as many narrowminded assholes as mmoc, there are enough people who still equal "anime" with "schoogirl tentacle rape".
    although there are certainly at least just as many people who appreciate anime and the regarding discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by kinreal View Post
    actually i can believe that. i suppose one could argue the target audience for shuffle but can still see what you mean.
    there are just too many people (not actually talking about you) who seem to think romance and drama are not made for men.
    but actually the only anime in my list that's really catered more towards females is Ouran Koukou Host Club^^ and even this one is mostly comedy, so it's not nearly as clear defined as, for example, a typical fighting-shounen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrior View Post
    <3

    speaking of "epic" action-ish anime themes:


    and on a slightly self-ironic note


    Quote Originally Posted by ayako View Post
    I've seen just about every one of these non obscure animes :<
    and which exactly are you defining as "non obscure"?^^
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    Sorrior I fail to see how Raxhephon even holds a candle to Eva. I like Rax and all but it doesn't have near the quality in character and plot that Eva does. Eva wins out for it's epic moments as well. I've watched Eva countless times now, I don't think I bring myself to watch the full Rax series ever again. It just doesn't have the draw for me.

    Eva's ending was confusing in that it came completely out of left field.

    As for Chobits, if they were aiming for dark they missed the mark big time. The anime came across as anything but dark.

    I really need to get around to watching Narutaru and Bokurano though. Been meaning to for some time now.

    Negridoom- Gimme more Hellsing Ultimate right freaking now. I'm so tired of waiting for the new one. Eva 2.0 just released in english so I'm gonna rewatch it now and that should hold me over till the next Japanese release.

    Ayako- I don't think you can really consider too many things obscure anymore unless you go back a generation or two in anime. Everything in the last 7-10 years has gotten pretty good coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biohazardx View Post
    Sorrior I fail to see how Raxhephon even holds a candle to Eva. I like Rax and all but it doesn't have near the quality in character and plot that Eva does. Eva wins out for it's epic moments as well. I've watched Eva countless times now, I don't think I bring myself to watch the full Rax series ever again. It just doesn't have the draw for me.

    Eva's ending was confusing in that it came completely out of left field.

    As for Chobits, if they were aiming for dark they missed the mark big time. The anime came across as anything but dark.

    I really need to get around to watching Narutaru and Bokurano though. Been meaning to for some time now.

    Negridoom- Gimme more Hellsing Ultimate right freaking now. I'm so tired of waiting for the new one. Eva 2.0 just released in english so I'm gonna rewatch it now and that should hold me over till the next Japanese release.

    Ayako- I don't think you can really consider too many things obscure anymore unless you go back a generation or two in anime. Everything in the last 7-10 years has gotten pretty good coverage.
    Well first to deal with the comments on mine about chobits it;s more like i remember things in video format(yes both moving images and sound) and had the last few episodes running through my head upon it's mention. So i could easily have been a variant on nostalgia though when compared to the guy other work namely dears chobist is no comedy.

    As for Eva vs Rahxephon. Sorry man but i just don't see vea and being that good. I've seen both the original US release and the platinum one hell i still have my platinum edition discs. Watched it full through both times and i still say rahxephon is better. Though neither are the type i'd watch 8 times that honor goes to series that are either cheesy bits of fluff(ZnT, Gravion,Dual and the like) or shows like Code Geass seen that one about 5-7 time. Also gundam wing seen that one about 4-5 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonedrifter View Post
    In regards to 4. I"ve watched both Eva and Elfen Lied so i felt like you were calling me out on those xD so i've watched 6/13 of Shadow Star Narutaru in a row~ So far i don't think it's worse than Eva or Elfen Lied yet, but maybe it gets darker and more twisted i dunno =O I just know the main reason Eva and Elfen Lied actually came as a lil shocker and "slightly" disturbing in some sense to me is because it really got me wrapped up and sucked into it to a point i actually had a sense of attachment to certain characters, thus emphasizing the effects of when something went really wrong~~ Could also be i've grown more insensitive towards disturbing stuff too o.o who knows because i did watch those 2 a few years back like when i was 15/16 years old i believe~~ Anyways i should finish that series "Shadow Star Narutaru" within a day or two, and i will try the other one as well~ I will report back in when i' m done ^_^!
    Well TBH i havn't seen narutaru yet but i did see bokurano and have read enough to know that both tend to follow that authors style of crazy ass shit being done to his characters. It's almost like that author lives breaths sleeps and eats break the cutey style stuff.

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