Hand of Light in 4.0.3

[Fredzilla]

Don't know how many other servers are up right now, but I've noticed that when I get a mastery proc when I have 0 HP, I can't use it to cast TV (at least, wasn't paying attention to the other abilities). Has anyone else noticed this or am I just crazy?

[lunchbox2042]

Because having 0 holy power means you're dead right?

[Badpaladin]

It's pretty inconsequential anyways, because if you used it at 0HP when CS was up you were losing DPS anyways. Crappy stat is still crappy!

YAY

edit: Yes, this is the change. It's on Beta as well.

[Terradii]

Because having 0 holy power means you're dead right?

how would having no holy power make him/her dead

[Platapus]

I have the same issue on beta. Also, sometimes it will take away 1 HP when I use templar's verdict with a proc. Not sure if Blizzard knows about this, but I assume they do.

[Voltair]

uh... because you're dead?

Take palm, place on forehead

Take facepalmed head and smash into a desk

Thank You

Good Bye

[Thumos]

So, does this pretty much make Mastery worth 0 dps now?

[Fredzilla]

Mk, just wanted to check. Glad to know I'm not any crazier than I already am.

[Deleted]

Dude, sarcasm?
And HP = Holy Power fools xD

[Monteverdi]

I think we need another abbreviation for Holy Power

HPw?

[Evilmonkey]

It's pretty inconsequential anyways, because if you used it at 0HP when CS was up you were losing DPS anyways. Crappy stat is still crappy!

YAY

edit: Yes, this is the change. It's on Beta as well.

this. the only difference between live and beta is that on beta it requires one holy power and it Consumes said 1 holy power. still hoping its a bug other wise our mastery became even worse then it already is. and its pretty shitty right now.

I think we need another abbreviation for Holy Power

HPw?

HoPo

[Badpaladin]

I suspect this was a PvP fix. A lot of players(casters...LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL) were complaining about ret burst. Ahem. So yeah, I guess it makes sense even though it wasn't really needed.

[Fredzilla]

I hear casters have a reason to complain about things right now. I'd love to burst a mage down, if I only I could reach him...

[Badpaladin]

It's not as bad in beta in team settings though, but there still are serious problems with regards to being locked down by CC.

[Thumos]

It's not as bad in beta in team settings though, but there still are serious problems with regards to being locked down by CC.

Did our ability to cleanse all roots and snares ever start working? Several people on the Beta forums seem to be claiming that it doesn't but no one really replies to their threads with solid answers. Also, did it end up removing physical roots and snares?

[Badpaladin]

Did our ability to cleanse all roots and snares ever start working? Several people on the Beta forums seem to be claiming that it doesn't but no one really replies to their threads with solid answers. Also, did it end up removing physical roots and snares?

Yep, it works. More feedback here.

http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/f...hp?f=15&t=5160

[Thumos]

Ty!

[Tacos]

Why are people saying ret mastery is bad? Seems nice to me to get a free TV once in a while.

[Badpaladin]

Why are people saying ret mastery is bad? Seems nice to me to get a free TV once in a while.

Oh boy, I'll answer this so a bunch of crazy, angry people don't jump all over your balls for this.

1. Not free. It's (TV - ability you would have used), so it can often be a DPS loss for that GCD's time frame.
2. Only really good as a filler spell, ie CS -> TV -> CS is far superior to TV -> TV -> filler and so on. I posted the whole logic behind it in another thread, I can link you the post if you're curious.
3. Other secondary stats, like crit, have no negative aspects to them whatsoever. Because Mastery can be a DPS loss(no choice to not use it at 3HP), it's only worth ~1/3 of crit point for point, and actually gets worse the more haste you have.

Hopefully that covered the basics. I'm more than happy to divulge a little deeper if you want.

[Hannya84]

Oh boy, I'll answer this so a bunch of crazy, angry people don't jump all over your balls for this.

1. Not free. It's (TV - ability you would have used), so it can often be a DPS loss for that GCD's time frame.
2. Only really good as a filler spell, ie CS -> TV -> CS is far superior to TV -> TV -> filler and so on. I posted the whole logic behind it in another thread, I can link you the post if you're curious.
3. Other secondary stats, like crit, have no negative aspects to them whatsoever. Because Mastery can be a DPS loss(no choice to not use it at 3HP), it's only worth ~1/3 of crit point for point, and actually gets worse the more haste you have.

Hopefully that covered the basics. I'm more than happy to divulge a little deeper if you want.

caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrlll....