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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
    I cringed. I thought you were supposed to have a clean & tidy build, Deltrus! D:
    The HAF X is terrible for cable management everywhere, but...

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    Err why is the HAF-X terrible for cable management? It is still considered one of the largest cases ever, it's built by CoolerMaster who are the same people behind the Storm series cases...and my Sniper has at least ~2-3cm gap for cables behind the tray, which is plenty. The sidepanel also has the same embossed design to give extra room for cables, similar to my Sniper.

    I'll take a rear photo of my mobo tray tonight. Promised myself I'd never show it to the world, could make people's eyes explode...but it can't be the worst out there XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuvial View Post
    Err why is the HAF-X terrible for cable management? It is still considered one of the largest cases ever, it's built by CoolerMaster who are the same people behind the Storm series cases...and my Sniper has at least ~2-3cm gap for cables behind the tray, which is plenty. The sidepanel also has the same embossed design to give extra room for cables, similar to my Sniper.

    I'll take a rear photo of my mobo tray tonight. Promised myself I'd never show it to the world, could make people's eyes explode...but it can't be the worst out there XD
    The HAF X is an older case, and is from before Cooler Master became "good" if they can be called "good."

    The room behind the motherboard tray is pathetic. It's a pain in the ass to put the side panel back on there. =/ Not to mention the extreme lack in places to tie cables down. -.-
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    The HAF X is an older case, and is from before Cooler Master became "good" if they can be called "good."

    The room behind the motherboard tray is pathetic. It's a pain in the ass to put the side panel back on there. =/ Not to mention the extreme lack in places to tie cables down. -.-
    Most of these flaws have been fixed with the HAF XM though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Static View Post
    Most of these flaws have been fixed with the HAF XM though.
    Frankly, I wouldn't buy another HAF case, except maybe that box one they made.

    Either way, HAF is all about airflow and expansion room... and that's it.

    The Storm series (minus the disgusting Enforcer) are far superior, from what I can tell.
    If I start saying what brands are superior, then we'd be here all night. ^_^
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Frankly, I wouldn't buy another HAF case, except maybe that box one they made.

    Either way, HAF is all about airflow and expansion room... and that's it.

    The Storm series (minus the disgusting Enforcer) are far superior, from what I can tell.
    If I start saying what brands are superior, then we'd be here all night. ^_^
    Totally agree with you. Here's hoping I don't get the infraction hammer from tetris in case I went kind of off-topic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Organoth View Post
    Getting a small monitor stand will create some extra useful room on your desk top. Things like your modem there will fit underneath it perfectly. Plus it will put your monitor and a more naturally viewing height. Hell your Xbox would probably fit underneath it.

    http://www.amazon.com/Allsop-Metal-M...=monitor+stand
    The monitor stand is to the right next to the Xbox for the console monitor/laptop. Honestly don't need any more room on the desktop I have an L desk and 2 keyboard trays which allows me to snug away the laptop when not in use. My concern is the damned wires!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Frankly, I wouldn't buy another HAF case, except maybe that box one they made.
    It's a pretty good case to build in, and the hotswap bay is the most fantastic one I've ever had the pleasure of trying. It's got a really simple mechanic sled mechanic.

    You take it out of the case, and then on the backside there's this, which'll release 'one' edge to let you slide a harddrive into it...





    Spoiler: Yes, that does mean I'm currently using a HAF XB.

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    Case -> Fractal Design Define R2 Arctic White (Actually the best part of the computer, the rest of the parts haven't aged as well as this beautiful case lol)

    Thinking of an upgrade soonish... hmmm
    Currently pulling around 35-45 FPS at "High" settings, and 60-90 FPS at "Medium"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
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    Spoiler: Yes, that does mean I'm currently using a HAF XB.
    Have you ever used a case for more than 6 months at a time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    Have you ever used a case for more than 6 months at a time?
    It replaced the 600T, and was chosen because a friend of mine will be borrowing the thing when(/if) I finish the main rig. He liked the case and all that jazz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aftonflickan View Post
    AMD Phenom II 960T X4 3,0 Ghz
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    XFX 550W 80+ Bronze CORE
    Gigabyte UD3 990FX
    Gigabyte HD6850 Windforce OC
    Case -> Fractal Design Define R2 Arctic White (Actually the best part of the computer, the rest of the parts haven't aged as well as this beautiful case lol)

    Thinking of an upgrade soonish... hmmm
    Currently pulling around 35-45 FPS at "High" settings, and 60-90 FPS at "Medium"
    Are you referring to WoW? I imagine so, based on the website we're on... but most of us computer forum regulars quit WoW some time ago. :P We just stuck around because we love it here.

    Your computer has some age left in it, but if you want to play anything more serious, I would upgrade for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Are you referring to WoW? I imagine so, based on the website we're on... but most of us computer forum regulars quit WoW some time ago. :P We just stuck around because we love it here.

    Your computer has some age left in it, but if you want to play anything more serious, I would upgrade for sure.
    Wait this is a WoW forum?? Son of a bit........ :P
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    But hey, we're just strangers on the Internet with decades of combined IT and computer building experience, what do we know?

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    Just finished my first build ever. Here's some background on my gaming "rigs":

    - 2008 - Started playing World of Warcraft on a Dell Dimenionsion workstation that a really nice IT guy gave me. AGP for life! Retired Dinosaur
    - 2009 - Upgraded to the super badass IBuyPower rig for a crazy $579. AMD Athlon II x2 (Regor) and M4A77TD motherboard I believe.What's left of it
    - 2009 to 2013 - Just kept adding RAM and new GPU's to the problem of having a crappy CPU. It sufficed for WoW but now I'd like to play GW2 a bit.

    Finally got a promotion and decided it was time to buy myself a better rig.

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)
    Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Amazon)
    Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($50.99 @ Newegg)
    Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Microcenter)
    Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($107.98 @ Outlet PC)
    Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Microcenter)
    Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
    Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-S4S-10AK-GP 60.9 CFM 140mm Fan ($7.98 @ Outlet PC)
    Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($139.99 @ Newegg)
    Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ Outlet PC)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Full (32/64-bit) ($166.68 @ Amazon)
    Monitor: Asus VE247H 23.6" Monitor ($167.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow 2013 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($97.83 @ Amazon)
    Mouse: Razer Naga 2012 Wired Laser Mouse ($62.00 @ Amazon)
    Total: $1641.37
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-18 09:12 EST-0500)

    Having zero experience with building a rig there are obvious oversights. I probably could have saved some money in multiple places (PSU, Mobo, GPU) and I could have used that money to buy RAM (1333 right now is from old rig). I'll be upgrading that next, but the bank account needs a small break.

    First trip to MicroCenter
    Initial build with old GPU (HD6770)

    After that I started everything up and GW2 looked pretty good, but it wasn't maxed. I tossed around the idea of a Tahiti LE vs the 7950 and decided to just go with the 7950. No logical reason other than the fact that MicroCenter had it in stock (right down the street from me) and a co-worker said he really liked his Gigabyte 7950.

    Installed the 7950 - here's a non-flash version
    ...and a version with flash

    So, what did I learn in all of this?
    - Building your own rig is really rewarding and I will never buy pre-built again.
    - These forums are super helpful.
    - Be more patient when picking out components. Readily available doesn't always mean most ideal.
    - Be more prepared for Cable Management. I'll be disconnecting everything and re-doing it so it doesn't look like it does right now

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    Remember that you need a proper CPU cooler to do any overclocking. Otherwise it looks good, now get to that cable management
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prag View Post
    Be more prepared for Cable Management. I'll be disconnecting everything and re-doing it so it doesn't look like it does right now
    Actually most of the back of our cases look like that.



    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    The HAF X is terrible for cable management everywhere, but...

    [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/kSwvpYal.jpg[IMG]
    I've never understood how those Zalman Loops can actually work. From what I know of fluid dynamics that fan would need to be shrouded to effectively channel the air thru the heatsink, otherwise all the air is just going out the sides.
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    But hey, we're just strangers on the Internet with decades of combined IT and computer building experience, what do we know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Are you referring to WoW? I imagine so, based on the website we're on... but most of us computer forum regulars quit WoW some time ago. :P We just stuck around because we love it here.

    Your computer has some age left in it, but if you want to play anything more serious, I would upgrade for sure.
    Yea I meant WoW hehe ^^
    I'm pretty satisfied all in all with my PC, bought like late december 2011... maybe if I happen to find myself with some extra cash I'll look at a 7950 with a beastly aftermaret cooler on it... hehe
    Still have to figure out how much my CPU is bottlenecking in WoW ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by at05gt View Post
    I've never understood how those Zalman Loops can actually work. From what I know of fluid dynamics that fan would need to be shrouded to effectively channel the air thru the heatsink, otherwise all the air is just going out the sides.
    The fan is pushing the air from right to left, in that picture... what is there to not understand? O.o
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    This is a picture of the rear panel cable management on my HAF X. For anyone saying cable management on the HAF X sucks, it sounds like user error to me. All my cables are run just fine and my set up includes extra cables like the optional 2nd top exhaust fan, a red LED light tube on top and 5 total drives installed. For the person with th floating SSD in their HAF X, that's user error too. The HAF X has multi-purpose drive bays and can hold up to 3 2.5" SSD drives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organoth View Post
    This is a picture of the rear panel cable management on my HAF X. For anyone saying cable management on the HAF X sucks, it sounds like user error to me. All my cables are run just fine and my set up includes extra cables like the optional 2nd top exhaust fan, a red LED light tube on top and 5 total drives installed. For the person with th floating SSD in their HAF X, that's user error too. The HAF X has multi-purpose drive bays and can hold up to 3 2.5" SSD drives.

    /img
    1. Cable management on the back of the HAF X could be, sure, better, on my part, but it's a real pain.
    2. The SSD is floating in my HAF X by choice, not user-error, please don't make so many assumptions. SSDs don't need to be held in place with screws or what-not. They're solid-state technology, no moving parts, really doesn't matter where the SSD is. Technically, the HAF X can hold up to more like probably 20~ or even more SSDs...

    But yeah, user-error abounds! I have just as many drives as you, a fan controller, and the extra fan. /shrug

    Maybe I'll try better back-panel cable management sometime, but it doesn't matter to me as much as the other side, which you can tell is much better looking...
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