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    Remember that you need a proper CPU cooler to do any overclocking. Otherwise it looks good, now get to that cable management
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prag View Post
    Be more prepared for Cable Management. I'll be disconnecting everything and re-doing it so it doesn't look like it does right now
    Actually most of the back of our cases look like that.



    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    The HAF X is terrible for cable management everywhere, but...

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    I've never understood how those Zalman Loops can actually work. From what I know of fluid dynamics that fan would need to be shrouded to effectively channel the air thru the heatsink, otherwise all the air is just going out the sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Are you referring to WoW? I imagine so, based on the website we're on... but most of us computer forum regulars quit WoW some time ago. :P We just stuck around because we love it here.

    Your computer has some age left in it, but if you want to play anything more serious, I would upgrade for sure.
    Yea I meant WoW hehe ^^
    I'm pretty satisfied all in all with my PC, bought like late december 2011... maybe if I happen to find myself with some extra cash I'll look at a 7950 with a beastly aftermaret cooler on it... hehe
    Still have to figure out how much my CPU is bottlenecking in WoW ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by at05gt View Post
    I've never understood how those Zalman Loops can actually work. From what I know of fluid dynamics that fan would need to be shrouded to effectively channel the air thru the heatsink, otherwise all the air is just going out the sides.
    The fan is pushing the air from right to left, in that picture... what is there to not understand? O.o
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    This is a picture of the rear panel cable management on my HAF X. For anyone saying cable management on the HAF X sucks, it sounds like user error to me. All my cables are run just fine and my set up includes extra cables like the optional 2nd top exhaust fan, a red LED light tube on top and 5 total drives installed. For the person with th floating SSD in their HAF X, that's user error too. The HAF X has multi-purpose drive bays and can hold up to 3 2.5" SSD drives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organoth View Post
    This is a picture of the rear panel cable management on my HAF X. For anyone saying cable management on the HAF X sucks, it sounds like user error to me. All my cables are run just fine and my set up includes extra cables like the optional 2nd top exhaust fan, a red LED light tube on top and 5 total drives installed. For the person with th floating SSD in their HAF X, that's user error too. The HAF X has multi-purpose drive bays and can hold up to 3 2.5" SSD drives.

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    1. Cable management on the back of the HAF X could be, sure, better, on my part, but it's a real pain.
    2. The SSD is floating in my HAF X by choice, not user-error, please don't make so many assumptions. SSDs don't need to be held in place with screws or what-not. They're solid-state technology, no moving parts, really doesn't matter where the SSD is. Technically, the HAF X can hold up to more like probably 20~ or even more SSDs...

    But yeah, user-error abounds! I have just as many drives as you, a fan controller, and the extra fan. /shrug

    Maybe I'll try better back-panel cable management sometime, but it doesn't matter to me as much as the other side, which you can tell is much better looking...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    The fan is pushing the air from right to left, in that picture... what is there to not understand? O.o
    Not really, how much do you know about fluid dynamics? Without a high static pressure created by large fan blades and a shroud, the resistance created by the heatsink would cause the air to be diverted away, I.E. towards the gapping open area. Let me photoshop your pic and show you what I mean, gimme 5 minutes.
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    You can tell by all the dust having been pushed onto the side of the left copper fins and by the fact I lack any heat issues, that the heatsink works. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    You can tell by all the dust having been pushed onto the side of the left copper fins and by the fact I lack any heat issues, that the heatsink works. :P
    I'm not saying it doesn't work, it's just inefficient as hell.

    Without a shroud the airflow wants to find the path of least resistance, a heat sink has resistance, the back pressure caused by this would cause the vast majority of the air to be flung outward by the fan blades, see below. The red arrows are airflow btw.



    With a shroud the air is channeled where it needs to go, any back pressure caused by the heat sink would be overcome simply because the air has nowhere else to go, which would in turn cause the fan to push harder. That's why static pressure fans have thicker blades and less air gap between them. Image below is merely a dramatization.



    Hope the visual helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by at05gt View Post
    I'm not saying it doesn't work, it's just inefficient as hell.
    You have to take a few things into consideration when looking at that particular heatsink:
    • RPM and static pressure of the fan.
    • The shape of the rotary blades.
    • The fact that the fan is smaller than the heatsink.
    • The shape of the heatsink.

    The heatsink shape makes air "trapped" within the confound space of the heatsink. It partially engulfs and creates a pocket around the fan that pushes air through it's center (think of a funnel). At the same time the rotary blades are shaped to twist the air in a tunnel, creating a whirl.

    I made pictures for you:




    From a physics standpoint it makes perfect sense. Some air will escape around the edges, but not any significant amount. A shroud would most likely help overall, but not make that much of a difference in the long run.

    Inefficient? Well, that depends on what you compare it to. It's definitely a good cooler based on the fact that it can dissipate a fairly large amount of heat, but compared to a box-heatsink and a shrouded fan it's less efficient per cubic centimeter; size (most likely).
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    Made a small album of my gaming setup, it really shows that the lens of my phone's camera is knackered.

    Clickety!

    Well I guess the descriptions in the album are lacking in detail, here's what's going on:
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    Laptop is a Samsung R530. It's got i3-330M, 310M, 4gigs of ram and a 500Gb HDD. Display size is 15.6" and resolution 1366*768. Battery life is 404 not found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marest View Post
    You have to take a few things into consideration when looking at that particular heatsink:
    • RPM and static pressure of the fan.
    • The shape of the rotary blades.
    • The fact that the fan is smaller than the heatsink.
    • The shape of the heatsink.

    The heatsink shape makes air "trapped" within the confound space of the heatsink. It partially engulfs and creates a pocket around the fan that pushes air through it's center (think of a funnel). At the same time the rotary blades are shaped to twist the air in a tunnel, creating a whirl.

    I made pictures for you: "SNIP"

    From a physics standpoint it makes perfect sense. Some air will escape around the edges, but not any significant amount. A shroud would most likely help overall, but not make that much of a difference in the long run.

    Inefficient? Well, that depends on what you compare it to. It's definitely a good cooler based on the fact that it can dissipate a fairly large amount of heat, but compared to a box-heatsink and a shrouded fan it's less efficient per cubic centimeter; size (most likely).
    That makes more sense, I wasn't aware that heat sink was domed in like that to account for back pressure.
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    SPECIFICATIONS:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ange View Post
    SPECIFICATIONS:

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    SPU: USB UGM96
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    PERIPHERALS:

    Monitor: Apple LED Cinema Display (24")
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    Headphones (2): AKG K702
    Speaker: Adam A5X
    Amp (1): HiFiMAN EF5
    Amp (2): cMoyBB 2.03
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    Quote Originally Posted by n0cturnal View Post
    Aww, you've ruined the Filco
    i think it looks cool, not exactly what i'd do, but it stands out from the crowd

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    Quote Originally Posted by n0cturnal View Post
    Aww, you've ruined the Filco
    Wait till I get the missing red colored keycaps! *evilsmile*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanotical View Post
    i think it looks cool, not exactly what i'd do, but it stands out from the crowd
    So does this http://webwit.nl/input/keycaps/colored5.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ange View Post
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    OMG You have ADAM AUDIO studio monitors!!!

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