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    Friend brought his processor over tonight and I delidded it for him! Incoming 15-20C + of temp drops!!

    I put it in a vice and whacked it with a hammer. Started to come off in 4 hits then I just popped it off as the black adhesive was loose. Glad he trusted me :P

    Last edited by mercs213; 2013-09-06 at 05:34 AM.

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    ...huh. The TIM spread between the lid and the chip seems to be meh at best, no wonder temps suck. Putting aside there shouldn't be any TIM at all, the whole thing is supposed to be welded/soldered shut right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuvial View Post
    ...huh. The TIM spread between the lid and the chip seems to be meh at best, no wonder temps suck. Putting aside there shouldn't be any TIM at all, the whole thing is supposed to be welded/soldered shut right?
    Exactly and the black adhesive when removed brings the IHS closer to the die which is why it improves temps.

    We use Coollaboratory Liquid Pro on the die and under side of the IHS (very thin layer) for best possible temp results.

    Between the IHS and cooler use can use your fav. TIM. You could use CLP but liquid metal is a pain to clean up.

    Also yes, they should be using fluxless solder like with sandy bridge and all the extreme chips. But after sandy, haswell and ivy use TIM. Don't know why they changed but it is why temps are much higher on ivy and haswell than they should be.
    Last edited by mercs213; 2013-09-06 at 05:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercs213 View Post
    Also yes, they should be using fluxless solder like with sandy bridge and all the extreme chips. But after sandy, haswell and ivy use TIM. Don't know why they changed but it is why temps are much higher on ivy and haswell than they should be.
    It's far more cost effective, that's why they changed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuvial View Post
    ...huh. The TIM spread between the lid and the chip seems to be meh at best, no wonder temps suck. Putting aside there shouldn't be any TIM at all, the whole thing is supposed to be welded/soldered shut right?
    it's terrible, some guy even tested the TIM at OC and the results were like +25-30 degrees for a minor overclock.
    aslo can't see from the picture if it is a haswell or ivy chip? (ps warranty tip , use black glue once you replaced the TIM)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluorescent0 View Post
    It's far more cost effective, that's why they changed it.
    Cost effective for the $500+ chips as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shroudster View Post
    it's terrible, some guy even tested the TIM at OC and the results were like +25-30 degrees for a minor overclock.
    aslo can't see from the picture if it is a haswell or ivy chip? (ps warranty tip , use black glue once you replaced the TIM)
    Ivy, haswell has the on die VRMs which can be seen next to the center die after you delid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shroudster View Post
    it's terrible, some guy even tested the TIM at OC and the results were like +25-30 degrees for a minor overclock.
    aslo can't see from the picture if it is a haswell or ivy chip? (ps warranty tip , use black glue once you replaced the TIM)
    Sounds like Intel did it on purpose to limit overclocking on air and make their E-series chips seem better in comparison. Pretty pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d0oms View Post
    CPU - i7 4770K @ 4.4 GHz
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    Would love to see some pics man, that would be one of the few extreme-level builds around here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuvial View Post
    Sounds like Intel did it on purpose to limit overclocking on air and make their E-series chips seem better in comparison. Pretty pathetic.
    Nah, intel is trying to maximise profit instead of actively competing with AMD. Because frankly, there is no competition.
    However using glue and TIM on a 500 or 1000 dollar CPU is hard to sell :P

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    Please keep Haswell overclocking in a thread more suited for that topic.

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    You upgraded my CPU, pretty happy with it after having some problems with my old E8400.

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    Could've gone with 1600 memory though, seeing haswell has a 1600 memory controller. Oh well, it won't make that much difference.

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    Intel i7 3770K @4.6ghz 1.25vcore(Delidded with CLP on die, MX4 on IHS/Sync) ~ EVGA ACX SC GTX 780 ~ Corsair H110 AIO Cooler(w/ 2x 140mm BGear Blasters) ~ Corsair AX1200 w/ 100.4amps on one +12v rail ~ 16gb (2x8gb) Kingston Beast HyperX DDR3 2400mhz CL11 w/ Kingston active RAM cooler ~ Samsung Pro 840 256gb SSD w/ Win 7 Pro 64 Bit + 64gb C300 + 3tb ancillary ~ Asrock Extreme6 Z77 8+4 Phase Motherboard ~ CoolerMaster HAF932 ~ Samsung 32" 1080p 120hz LED Desktop Monitor

    Thinking of dropping in a second 780. My temps never reach 60c on this rig with even higher voltage than I'm running for daily use. That cooler + delidding + bgears blaster + optimized TIM/case makes it unbelievable for temps.

    I'm adding it on EVGA mod rigs, current name is Megalodon.

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    PS: I turn hyperthreading off for WoW but I keep the same overclock. I have different profiles for video editing, WoW, and general gaming. As you probably guessed, the rig is quite snappy, but a little loud with all the active cooling @ high rpm. I work in a room with a window unit AC so I couldn't possibly hear a jet engine, much less a computer, which is why I don't care. I used the vice and wood block method of delidding.
    Last edited by Zenfoldor; 2013-09-06 at 01:57 PM. Reason: added @4.6ghz overclock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majesticii View Post
    Could've gone with 1600 memory though, seeing haswell has a 1600 memory controller. Oh well, it won't make that much difference.
    I already had DDR3 Ram with my E8400...

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    CPU: Intel Core i7-2700k
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    RAM: 16GB 1600Mhz
    GPU: 2x Nvidia GeForce GTX590
    PSU: Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 1200w
    Case: Cooler Master HAF X

    Here is mine one and half year old setup.

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    Case: CM Stryker.
    Mobo: ASUS P68Z68 V/Pro-GEN3
    CPU: Intel Core i7 3770k.
    CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i.
    GPU: EVGA GTX 780 SC ACX x2 SLI.
    Ram: Corsair Vengeance 32GB 1866MHz.
    Power Supply: Corsair AX1200i.
    SSD 1: Kingston 60 GB (For Win7).
    SSD 2: Crucial M500 960GB.
    Mechanical Harddrive: Seagate Barracuda 1TB.

    Peripherals:
    Keyboard: Ducky SHINE2 MX Red (Green LED).
    Mouse: Steelseries Sensei FNATIC Edition.
    Mousemat: Razer Goliathus Extended XL - Control.
    Headset: Logitech G930.
    Screen 1: HP 2211x.
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    well i finally released i've never posted a picture of my new cards/case yet.
    however contrary to common drunkenvalley picture tradition i decided i'd make the worst possible pc shot

    and for anyone wondering what these beasts can do my 24/7 overclock yields this http://www.3dmark.com/fs/765579

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