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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanotical View Post
    not true, and im not sure where you heard that either, in fact the unidirectional airflow is going to be better for aftermarket gpus than anything else, even a benchtop
    It's not really about the airflow, more about the heatpipes. I used to mine with 2 cards in a switch 810 at 80 & 70° with bequiet case fans, in this case it's 87°/80° with the AP181's on max (1200rpm) and both gpu's at 100% fan speed

    http://en.expreview.com/2010/11/15/9...ler/11843.html

    Here a few people claiming the same thing as I am: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2204972

    They just work the best with blowers, gpu's with aftermarkt is just awful for in a FT02/RV02 & TJ11.
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    For someone running a reference 7970 (which is a hot card combined with a horrible cooler) in a FT02 I can definitely say that the thermal design is exceptional. And, due to the design, it's actually great for aftermarket GPU coolers too, albeit it does perhaps not have as much positive impact as with a "blower".



    It all boils down to the specific cooler of course, but most will actually benefit from the constant change of air in the case; around the GPU, even if the cooler wants to push air in 'all directions'. Sure, the flow design might directly impact the cooler negatively in one direction, but that also correlates to a positive impact in the opposite direction.

    Check the NZXT 810 for example. That case (which I would argue has good airflow for a full tower) has the same basic principle in place with the extra fans on the HDD cages, although the HDD cages (and the flow of the other fans) will impact negatively. With the FT02 you get direct, almost entirely unhindered, airflow to the GPU. You basically have a 180mm fan entirely dedicated to the GPU.

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    Believe it or not, I can run my card at 25% fan speed (which makes it almost inaudible but severely damages the cooling potential - anyone who has ever owned a blower card knows what this does to the cooling of the card; it's basically almost non-existent) and still have it not run hotter than 85 degrees, even during "regular" gaming load. I should mention that when I run more demanding games I clock it higher and thus have to increase the fan speed to ~28-45% (which makes it very loud). And all this with the case fans (that is my 3x180mm fans as well as the two 120mm fans on the H80) run at their minimal RPM (i.e. if I turn the fan controller any lower they stop spinning).

    With a reference 7970 that is impressive. It's actually not the loudest component in my computer with these settings; I can hear both my HDDs and the pump in the H80 parallel to the noise of the 7970.
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    I used to run a HAF X and now I run a Fractal Design Define R4... you know how much my temperatures have gone up? Maybe 2 degrees Celsius? Maybe less? Honestly what is more important and impressive in cases nowadays, since they all seem to have enough airflow and technology has just improved all over... is dust filters, as little extra holes as possible, seriously... things like this. Sound dampening, but that doesn't affect the types of things we're talking about.

    The HAF X has insane airflow, but at the same time, who cares? Who cares when it lets enormous dust build up get in because only some of the fans get filters and it still has TONS of holes ALL OVER IT (*ahem* ODDs and all over the top and back)... seriously, it's ridiculous! Not to mention the noise if you dare run the fans direct from motherboard or power supply. I used a fan controller, NZXT Sentry 2, so I had them at 40% all the time, so they ran slow enough you really couldn't hear them.

    Compare that to the Fractal Design Define R4, which pulls in air through side vents but filters it with exceptional filters, THAT ARE EASILY REMOVED AND CLEANED, not like in the HAF X, and minimal holes, which are mostly covered up. Add in the sound dampening which makes it so you can pretty much blast the fans if you want and barely hear them. Oh and yeah, the ODD bays are blocked by a big door.

    Winner? Should be obvious. Why the HAF X line remains popular? Teenagers and people who are just getting into computer building and think it has better airflow period, yes, it has great airflow, but at what cost?

    I had a few spiders living in my HAF X, ffs.
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    Welcome... to the arena. Suggestions for tubing runs, folks? (Note: The inlet on the pump is the one on the right side.) Note that the graphics cards will have one of those bridges that EK make. It just hasn't arrived yet.














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    There's not that many options unless you wanna make it look like a jungle tbh. But you should probably flip that 240(?) radiator on the right around so the holes are on the top. And I'd probably flip the 360(?) as well so I could keep the tubing length to a minimum and make the loop go like gpu's->240rad->360rad->reservoir->cpu.

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    Drunken, how many 45 or 90 degree fittings do you have available?

    I'd say flip the EK CPU block so the outlet is on the left, flip the 240. Then go Res/Pump - CPU - 360Rad - GPU - 240Rad - Res/Pump

    Have fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    I had a few spiders living in my HAF X, ffs.
    My HAF 932 advanced has amazing airflow with 0 dust! Joking aside i think you described it close to perfect.


    DrunkenValley wouldnt it be more efficient if you didn't have your tubing going from cpu to cards directly? As in pump outlet -> T section one to gpu's one to cpu then radiators (1 each) then before pump T-section again?

    Also wouldn't it be more comfortable if you could flip the cpu block to have "out" @ left side?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kostattoo View Post
    DrunkenValley wouldnt it be more efficient if you didn't have your tubing going from cpu to cards directly? As in pump outlet -> T section one to gpu's one to cpu then radiators (1 each) then before pump T-section again?
    This is a bad idea, water takes the path of least resistance and if you did it like this one loop would have great flow while the other would not. Nothing personal here, just what I've learnt over the years

    On another note, finally got the 780Ti that I had to RMA back! Yay fun fun fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nidor View Post
    This is a bad idea, water takes the path of least resistance and if you did it like this one loop would have great flow while the other would not. Nothing personal here, just what I've learnt over the years

    On another note, finally got the 780Ti that I had to RMA back! Yay fun fun fun

    Its a closed loop with pump, why would one have significantly greater resistance from the other?
    /high five for new card going in

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghâzh View Post
    Etc.
    The front radiator can't be rotated. Its current configuration allowed me to install it "natively", ie didn't have to do more than strip the threads so the M3 screws could come through without being a bum about it. I can rotate the 360, but I'm not sure if that helps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nidor View Post
    Etc.
    I don't have any angle fittings at the time. I'm still sort of planning it before I order in more stuff basically.

    Not going to rotate the CPU block, because the badge would be upside down. That's a pretty big do-not-want for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kostattoo View Post
    Etc.
    GPUs -> CPU -> Rad is identical in use to GPU -> Rad -> CPU as far as performance goes. z.z If I misunderstand your question then please do clarify.

    And I'm not flipping the CPU block upside down. I despise the notion of installing it upside down lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
    GPUs -> CPU -> Rad is identical in use to GPU -> Rad -> CPU as far as performance goes. z.z If I misunderstand your question then please do clarify

    I meant 2 loops just sharing the pump.

    |------cpu----top rad-----|
    T> ----- Res/pump ----- <T
    |----gpu-gpu--bot rad-----|

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    Even if I could, and it would honestly be a difficult thing to get right, it would still be either a minimal effect or detriment.

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    Need more parts. Want to show you guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
    The front radiator can't be rotated. Its current configuration allowed me to install it "natively", ie didn't have to do more than strip the threads so the M3 screws could come through without being a bum about it.
    Gonna be a bitch to bleed. Why not just make new holes, I'm sure you're familiar with a drill?

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    Crap cell phone pic:

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    Looks awesome, Drunken, can't wait to see the final product!

    mercs123, fantastic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Looks awesome, Drunken, can't wait to see the final product!

    mercs123, fantastic!
    also getting a nice little space upgrade today, will post a pic of the item when it gets delivered today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kostattoo View Post
    I meant 2 loops just sharing the pump.

    |------cpu----top rad-----|
    T> ----- Res/pump ----- <T
    |----gpu-gpu--bot rad-----|
    The CPU loop will probably have significantly less resistance than the GPU loops, thus the aforementioned scenario will occur. Only thing you can run parallell are GPU blocks, seeing as they are identical and will have the same resistance.

    I got the 780Ti's under water now, they idle at a lovely 26-27 celcius and not seen them go above 37 under load. 1245MHz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
    I don't have any angle fittings at the time. I'm still sort of planning it before I order in more stuff basically.

    Not going to rotate the CPU block, because the badge would be upside down. That's a pretty big do-not-want for me.
    Techbay.no have some good rotaries and fittings, since you're Norwegian too I didnt know if you knew about this site

    I see your point about the CPU block, getting some angle and rotary fittings will definitively help out your plumbing in this build. You could do what I said without flipping the CPU easy with some rotaries.

    Pump/Res - CPU - 360Rad - GPU's - 240Rad and then back home to the res
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nidor View Post
    Techbay.no
    Aside from the res/D5-top all of the watercooling came from there. Those rads are their rebranded rads. Mostly because Paypal was a bitch and wouldn't let me order from any other site out there.

    But as said, I'm mostly just waiting to see what the plan is before ordering. I need to be a tad careful about the money right now, and I'm happy to be patient and waiting before doing this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
    But as said, I'm mostly just waiting to see what the plan is before ordering. I need to be a tad careful about the money right now, and I'm happy to be patient and waiting before doing this.
    That's normally the best way to do it, however it is quite hard to rein oneself I'll give your build a proper lookover and work with angle fittings in mind and PM you my ideas ^^
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