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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    I question the legitimacy of that link. 75%~? No HDD manufacturer would stand for that. I'm interested in seeing other charts from more reliable sources. I saw Linus Sebastian link it, but I am still not convinced.

    Not to say I am a hater or lover of Seagate, but not to mention, Hitachi is the company after all who had a HDD called the "DeathStar" for a reason...
    Hitachi/Western Digital

    No company would stand for that? Do you remember OCZ SSDs?
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    You make a very fair point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Notarget View Post
    Hitachi/Western Digital

    No company would stand for that? Do you remember OCZ SSDs?
    OCZ didn't stand for it. It wasn't really an OCZ issue, that was a controller problem that had the same effect on many other manufacturers. Corsair and Mushkin come to mind off the top of my head. They also turned around and never used it again. All of their drives have been as reliable as the others since (Agility 3/Vertex 3 and onward). I've had this as my OS drive for quite a while:



    Anyway, it's a shame that their name is still tarnished because of the Sandforce debacle. They even went to the length of acquiring and developing their own in-house controllers to avoid such an issue in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Notarget View Post
    Here I was thinking your thumbnail would be linking to a source but then it's just a thumbnail linking to the same picture in the exact same size which can then be zoomed in on to see a picture of the same size, speak of redundancy

    Here is something backing up "Seagate might not be the best HDD choice"
    If you would like, I can do a pic in full 1080p glory, for your eyes to savor. Sorry if me sticking to the rules of "Thumbnails" is a bit... overzealous
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    Quote Originally Posted by glo View Post
    Anyway, it's a shame that their name is still tarnished because of the Sandforce debacle. They even went to the length of acquiring and developing their own in-house controllers to avoid such an issue in the future.
    I've not really been aversive of them, but I never had reason to pick it anyway. So take this with a pinch of salt: What I heard was that it was the company's complete denial of the problem until well after the fact. That would make any choice of controller moot tbf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glo View Post
    OCZ didn't stand for it. It wasn't really an OCZ issue, that was a controller problem that had the same effect on many other manufacturers. Corsair and Mushkin come to mind off the top of my head. They also turned around and never used it again. All of their drives have been as reliable as the others since (Agility 3/Vertex 3 and onward). I've had this as my OS drive for quite a while:

    [.img]http://i.imgur.com/D7MXJKR.png[/img]

    Anyway, it's a shame that their name is still tarnished because of the Sandforce debacle. They even went to the length of acquiring and developing their own in-house controllers to avoid such an issue in the future.
    Sandforce was the least of their problems, having up to 50% return rate on the Petrol and Octane series was a lot worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
    I've not really been aversive of them, but I never had reason to pick it anyway. So take this with a pinch of salt: What I heard was that it was the company's complete denial of the problem until well after the fact. That would make any choice of controller moot tbf.
    This. In comparison to corsair for instance, who actually recalled them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by glo View Post
    OCZ didn't stand for it. It wasn't really an OCZ issue.
    Actually it was very much so an OCZ issue and they way they handled the situation, after all they chose to use SandForce, it wasn't forced onto them (no pun intended) and they also had issues with Indilinx. I didn't say OCZ hadn't improved ever since, good for them having moved on, though since also went bankrupt and then saved by Toshiba. However I think this horse has been beaten enough in the past and we can move on.

    I don't know why you link us an SSDLife screenshot, it tells us nothing. Glad your drive is healthy though
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    Quote Originally Posted by n0cturnal View Post
    Yeah, this was all around the same time period when they went to 25nm. Their original drives before this used Sandforce (pre 2000), then they switched to a modded SF2000 controller rebranded Indilinx (not the same chip that Indilinx eventually co-developed with OCZ) for Vertex 2 era drives as well as very early Vertex 3 / Agility 3 / Octane / etc etc on said 25nm NAND. AFAIK that only had a few month window, which just magnified the issue and confusion due to the new controllers and memory spanning over 2 generations of their drives in such a short time.

    In regards to the return rate, that's one site. It's also drives that were all sold during a small window in time. If that site had sold the defective Corsair lineup, their numbers would have been similar.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    This. In comparison to corsair for instance, who actually recalled them...
    They recalled for different reasons: http://www.pcper.com/news/Storage/Co...rdware-defects

    They likely wouldn't have recalled if they weren't having physical PCB issues. Worth noting that none of the other manufacturers did either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Notarget View Post
    Actually it was very much so an OCZ issue and they way they handled the situation, after all they chose to use SandForce, it wasn't forced onto them (no pun intended) and they also had issues with Indilinx. I didn't say OCZ hadn't improved ever since, good for them having moved on, though since also went bankrupt and then saved by Toshiba. However I think this horse has been beaten enough in the past and we can move on.

    I don't know why you link us an SSDLife screenshot, it tells us nothing. Glad your drive is healthy though
    Their Sandforce issue was the Indilinx issue. Same controller, they just rebranded it after their modifications to it. Honestly, I don't comprehend the "they handled poorly" thing. It's not like they didn't honor RMA's, and if you remember back then they even offered refunds months after purchase if a retailer didn't agree to.

    The screenshot was a screenshot, "Hey look, here's an OCZ drive that has been on for 2,600+ hours that has perfect S.M.A.R.T. data. People just make them out to be a guaranteed failure. I had my diagnostic work drive next to me, so I figured why not? Portable version of SSDLife is pretty much the quickest way to pull up r/w totals and TRIM status.
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    We're starting to fall from the on-topic rails, let's move the SSD/HDD reliability/OCZ discussion to another thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glo View Post
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    replied to your post and continued here
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    Allow me to put the thread back on the rails. I've figured out a way to fix the drooping of my card. Just fix it upright! Why didn't i think of it before.
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    That is a very nice build Majesticii! Last year I was contemplating a build using the Node 304, but I had started to drift away from the idea (in favor of another M-ATX build). You may have renewed my interested in it though!
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    Thanks! Just keep in mind that you cannot use a modular PSU if you're using a full length card. I found that out the hard way.

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    Wait, what? A 160mm modular PSU won't fit with a big graphics card?

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    Nope. You get this:
    http://i.imgur.com/sgpUPiB.jpg

    That's a Be Quiet Straight Power E8 580W, which is specified to be:
    160 x 150 x 86

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    Well, fuck, that's pretty bad.

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    Heh, it's no biggy. I managed to squeeze the cables i didn't need in the detachable frontpanel. So they're not inside the actual case.

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    How is it that the modularity is the problem? (can't make anything out of the pic)

    Aww, I wish I could make a mini-ITX build myself. Sound card won't fit. Someone needs to come out with full ATX mini case with no optical drives and the PSU mounted on that spot, could make the case a whole good 20cm shorter. If you also left out the drive cages you could really make one small squeezed perfect sized full ATX case.

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