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    /sigh

    Apple are generally obnoxiously expensive, but don't apply that brush to every product without spending a moment to check what you're getting versus what the price is. The newest Mac Pro, the socalled 'trashbins', sport FirePro cards that normally would be obscenely more expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
    /sigh

    Apple are generally obnoxiously expensive, but don't apply that brush to every product without spending a moment to check what you're getting versus what the price is. The newest Mac Pro, the socalled 'trashbins', sport FirePro cards that normally would be obscenely more expensive.
    This.
    While i don't like apple, i have to admit that the new mac pro is actually not that expensive. If you spec out a similar pc based system, you end up with pretty much the same price. Only that the mac pro is about the size of a small Mini-ITX system and the pc is a normal-sized (or at least µATX) tower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanotical View Post
    overpay what? price out a desktop with equal specs to the mac pro
    I checked for the gpu's these things have and i cant seem to find them, at least not one with a price on it.
    On the other hand anyone who can actually make use of it probably doesn't care about what it costs and uses it as a bussines expense.

    On a different note, there is no arguing with the fact that their midsection products are very overpriced, try adding one tb of storage, or a few gb's of memory on a regular mac, you'll pay its price as if it was gold, the iphone being the best example.
    And if you don't believe that i'll gladly pair up a pc versus an imac.

    What apple does have are very good designers/engineers, and a glorious marketing department since half of their customers only buys their stuff because of the brand, which in it's own shows what kind of genius jobs was.

    In the end it comes down to one thing, something is worth as much as you're willing to spend on it.

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    We aren't saying the mid-tier/consumer-end products aren't overpriced, they most certainly are, however, this Mac Pro, which is really not a consumer-grade product, as it is more focused on people doing graphic design work for businesses, etc, which means business expense, like you said.

    AMD FirePro and NVidia's equivalent, the Quadro series, are both enterprise-grade hardware and thus very very expensive... but have their own benefits plus much better support.

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    I checked for the gpu's these things have and i cant seem to find them, at least not one with a price on it.
    The D700 GPU in the mac pro has the same specs as the W9000 FirePro.The D500 is roughly the same as the W8000 GPU in other workstations, and the D300 is roughly the same as the w7000. Apple clocks their GPUs down a bit (about 10% under stock) which will help with reliability/longevity, but probably also owes a bit to being crammed into such a tiny case. Fortunately, in the reviews we've seen posted (ars technica and others) throttling doesn't seem to be a concern so they must be doing something right. Apple does the 'consumer style' base/boost clock speed trick so at idle your power draw will be very low, where as many workstation GPUs run at their full ordinary clock speed all the time.

    The biggest difference is in GPU memory. The low end D300 mac pro ships with 2gb of memory per card, most OEM workstation builders (HP, Lenovo, etc) are going to ship 4gb. At the high-end, they're all shipping 6gb per card. Also, while the system memory is ECC DDR3, the VRAM on Apple's graphics cards do not use ECC-GDD5. We don't have any evidence that this was a bad choice, but it's still a difference worth noting.
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    I moved into my new place a couple weeks ago and finally got around to taking some pictures:




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    Drew, your computer is upside down. When did you go to a SilverStone case?

    I got a new toy, finally upgraded to a real mousepad! The little wrist rest is so smooth and soft.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Drew, your computer is upside down. When did you go to a SilverStone case?
    I've had it for quite sometime, I've posted pictures of it before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noteworthynerd View Post
    I've had it for quite sometime, I've posted pictures of it before.
    Lies lies!

    My mousepad is obviously cooler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CheezusCrust View Post
    Got some new toys, also RIP my Ducky Shine 3


    Basically replaced my Logitech G602

    Edit: My power plug looks shocked haha
    Which version of the DT 990's did you get? I've got the DT 990 Premium 32 Ohm, and I absolutely fucking love them (I got them summer of 2012 and they are still going strong with many hundreds of hours put into them (if not thousands, I listen to a lot of music with them).

    Either way, DT 990's are amazing, you should enjoy them a lot!

    What are you driving them with? I'm using a Xonar Essence STX soundcard for mine, and it has worked wonderfully so far (it was a tremendous improvement over the default soundcard on the motherboard, also, I like that it has a 6.3 mm headphone jack slot, so that I can use the 6.3 mm jack with my DT 990's instead of the 3.5 mm)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hastings View Post
    Which version of the DT 990's did you get? I've got the DT 990 Premium 32 Ohm, and I absolutely fucking love them (I got them summer of 2012 and they are still going strong with many hundreds of hours put into them (if not thousands, I listen to a lot of music with them).

    Either way, DT 990's are amazing, you should enjoy them a lot!

    What are you driving them with? I'm using a Xonar Essence STX soundcard for mine, and it has worked wonderfully so far (it was a tremendous improvement over the default soundcard on the motherboard, also, I like that it has a 6.3 mm headphone jack slot, so that I can use the 6.3 mm jack with my DT 990's instead of the 3.5 mm)
    Pretty sure his audio setup is the Schiit Modi for DAC and then Magni for headphone amp. Really nice American-built audiophile hardware.

    www.schiit.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
    /sigh

    Apple are generally obnoxiously expensive, but don't apply that brush to every product without spending a moment to check what you're getting versus what the price is. The newest Mac Pro, the socalled 'trashbins', sport FirePro cards that normally would be obscenely more expensive.
    The MacPro is clearly not an iMac, which are overpriced and so are their laptops. You can get more from a Windows laptop for a lot less and iMac's use freaking laptop hardware, which is a terrible idea.

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    Rennadrel, no one was talking about the laptops. At least not initially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    My dad is an iSheep, and I wind up having to fix everything that is wrong with his stupid iMac. I can work with the OS, but by no means are their computers of intelligent design. The Mac Mini isn't horrible, it's fine for someone on a budget that needs a system that is of a small form factor and doesn't have massive amounts of features that bloat the price up, but for advanced power users who need more robust hardware you either have to overpay for a Mac Pro or you have to go Windows. I will have more respect for Apple when they let me start installing Mac OS X on my own computers rather then their crappy systems like the iMac with obsolete hardware.
    You already can. Gigabyte and some Asus MoBos can be used, as well as GTX 7xx series and Rx series AMD cards. Bit of research, and you will know this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    The MacPro is clearly not an iMac, which are overpriced and so are their laptops. You can get more from a Windows laptop for a lot less and iMac's use freaking laptop hardware, which is a terrible idea.
    Yes, and I don't give a flying fuck, since I was specifically talking about the Mac Pro. Which, by the way, you called an obsolete and overpriced trashcan among things...

    Did you have any more stupid things to tell us? Like the sky is blue and the grass is green? We know these things already, but clearly you didn't know what's in the Mac Pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Drew, your computer is upside down. When did you go to a SilverStone case?

    I got a new toy, finally upgraded to a real mousepad! The little wrist rest is so smooth and soft.

    Wow that looks nice, you have a link to it? Ive been looking into a mousepad similar to that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonath View Post
    Wow that looks nice, you have a link to it? Ive been looking into a mousepad similar to that
    Break the image link and also Google search "Razer Vespula" (the name is in the picture).
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    Quote Originally Posted by nocturnus View Post
    Arrived yesterday:



    Okay, not exactly a gaming setup

    2.7GHz 12-core with 30MB of L3 cache
    Dual AMD FirePro D700 GPUs with 6GB of GDDR5
    etc...
    I'm normally against Apple, but I have to say that is one fine piece of hardware.

    Wouldn't see that baby sitting in your stereotypical 14 year old apple fan-girls bedroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notarget View Post
    Break the image link and also Google search "Razer Vespula" (the name is in the picture).
    yea I quickly glanced when I first saw it, but thanks yeah I found it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nidor View Post
    Any reason you have the reservoirs on the top of that huge case? Kind of kills the look IMO.

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