Looks like the Taurens have gotten a problem!

[Deleted]

Almost immune in the real world but in this world we have magic fire

What about magic wood?

[Nexxia]

I was laughing when I saw this, Because true to blizzard style, yes there is a immense wall of wood! However, you can walk to the side and go around it....

[SoulPoetry]

It honestly makes me laugh.

"The Alliance have BURNED DOWN CAMP TARAUJO!"

"What do we do!?"

"We build.... A WALL!"

"What will it be made of??"

"WOOD!"

"BRILLIANT!"

*high-five*

its magic wood don'tcha know

[Alraml]

What about magic wood?

Hmmmmm, i'll have to consult a magic science professor

[Kiso94]

Its like this , Horde is a alliance between 5 races, Alliance is a alliance between 5 races , when one of the races of one of the alliances messes with another race from the other alliance , ppl not gonna pick who they gonna slay just gonna look at the banners

[Zorgen]

Look's like a toothpick wall some kid made in school, can't be very hard to break through.

[wtbepix]

Putress was a member of the Forsaken. The excuse that 'it was Varimathras, not us' doesn't hold water. Putress was Forsaken and so were his followers. ...'.

Using that logic ... VanCleef is a disgruntled employee who was robbed and stolen from by the King and citizens of Stormwind. As such, the Defias are his collection agents. Any attempt to stop them from recovering the monies that are owed to VanCleef and the other craftsmen is a offense to justice. "King" Varian Wrynn, is a robber baron at best.

[GhostSkull]

you know whats impressive? they gave themself time to detail it with a Eagle Totem on the front door. even if it would take Alliance a few minutes to get from Camp T to Gate. which makes the question, how DID they maked it so fast?

They did it on patch day, duh.

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Look's like a toothpick wall some kid made in school, can't be very hard to break through.

Pixelated wood is as strong as pixelated stone and metal. Besides, Kalimdor siege equipment is immobile.

EDIT: Answer 2: They built it out of Alliance wood! No Alliance weapon can hurt it!

[qwerty123456]

First off Putress was working on the Blight for Slyvannas and it wasn't till it was complete(for his use, as Slyvannas was wanting the blight to kill then convert the dead into forsaken) did he and Varimathras betray her. She planned on using it on the Alliance and scourge all along the only reason she isn't to blame for it is because of the horde casualties and she didnt specifically order the attack.
Then in Cata the Forsaken take over 2 whole zones and destroy at least 4 towns and take over Anderhol.

The Alliance believed Camp T was training soldiers and supposedly even gave time for the villagers to escape. Night Elves are trying to help the Tauren in Freewind Post take it back from the Grimtotems.

You cant even come close to comparing the 2.

[Romire]

they did it on patch day, duh.

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pixelated wood is as strong as pixelated stone and metal. Besides, kalimdor siege equipment is immobile.

Edit: Answer 2: They built it out of alliance wood! No alliance weapon can hurt it!

lol

[Mraleex]

If they gave the order to allow civilians to escape, they certainly didn't follow through. As horde there's a flashback where the Leatherworking trainer tries to defend other people running away with their skinning knife.

[Deleted]

If they gave the order to allow civilians to escape, they certainly didn't follow through. As horde there's a flashback where the Leatherworking trainer tries to defend other people running away with their skinning knife.

oh noes!! someone who only did the horde questline. as previously stated, both sides put spin on that incident. its all relative. :P

[Cavolo]

Statements like this confuse that point. There aren't 'Facts' so much are there are interpretations. unless we actually got to see what happend, its all a tapestry of what people saw and heard, all of which are subjected to bias, fear and a myriad of other emotions which influance how they seethe actual events. The truth is probably a combination of both stories, but even then a good deal is likely left out.

Fair enough, but you do get to study the effects of the event, in addition to interviewing the survivors (and some not-so-survivors). The Horde version of the events certainly jives with everything I saw and the nature of how wars are fought, as long as you don't automatically assume that the Alliance are virtuous Disney characters.

The hard facts, as we have them, are that Garrosh ordered a massive offencive against the Night Elves, particularly through Ashenvale. At the same time, Sylvaanis attacked and destroyed Alliance holdings in Lorderon. In responce, Wrynn ordered a counter offencive through the Barrens. Through these actions, Southshore, Silverwind Refuge and Camp T were effectivly destroyed. People died, and alot of civilians were likely caught in the crossfire. I tend to think that Southshore probably had the most civilian casualties, what with the plague and all, but thats interpretive.

Agreed, and no doubt the Forsaken wouldn't dream of letting civilians go and wanted to kill as many civilians as possible with their war plague. After all, every dead human can be made into a new Forsaken. No one is claiming that the Forsaken aren't monsters, but it is an atrocity with logic; the Forsaken will go extinct if they don't make more of themselves and the highest morality for any group is the survival of their own kind, even at the expense of others.

The Alliance order was to let civilians through the line and retreat. The Horde saw civilians killed. It was probably a bit of both, but only a moron would think it hard to tell the differance between a 'soldier' and a 'civilian' when dealing witht he Tauren. Face it, because they don't have a sexual division of labour, and they've spent decades dealing with the Quilboar and Cantaur, each one is a skilled hunter and fighter. Its not like seeing a peasent woman in a skirt running down a street, where you have an obvious distinction.

Furthermore, Camp T was the largest horde settlement between Mulgore and the Crossroads, occupying a place on the Gold Road, and was in all likelyhood a relavent trade point. That makes it at least as viable a strategic location as South Shore.

Actually, if you look at the refugees at Camp Una'fe and who you have to rescue from the Undergrowth, they are nothing BUT peasant women in dresses who were running away with children. Many of those peasant women in dresses were killed by Alliance soldiers and some narrowly escaped (you encounter a child in Una'fe who made it, but his mother who was fleeing with him didn't). In fact, you personally speak to Camp Taurajo's seamstress (well, her ghost) who was certainly unarmed and died exactly where she worked, because that's where she was when the Alliance soldiers burst in and cut her down at her loom. Alot of those civilians died in their homes, whatever the orders the Alliance had. That was the whole impetus for most the Horde quests in the South Barrens, including the quest where you end up tying the body of the man who ordered the attack on Taurajo to a tree to show what happens to butchers of women and children. At some point, "Let the civilians retreat" became "Kill anything that moves", as that is what was actually carried out. Particularly if the Alliance really did draft prisoners to carry out the attack, as mercenaries are notorious for atrocity in any planets history (look at our own).

I do take your point that all Tauren (even the women and children) are probably stronger than any human and it might be hard to tell them apart from an Alliance footmans perspective. I agree, though I'll point out that none of the Alliance races have a sexual division of labor either. There are plenty of female soldiers in any human army on the map, to say nothing about the Night Elves who seem to employ more women in their army than men. Horrific atrocity is alright in Warcraft, but sexism is not, so sayth Blizzard. However, Tauren peasant women aren't themselves walking around with bows and spears and hunting arquebuses and keep in mind that you are informed that the Alliance specifically waited till the majority of the Taurajo braves were out on hunt to attack (major plot point in the Horde quest line: the braves weren't there to defend Taurajo and the force that was supposed to, from Desolation Hold, never came). Planning to attack when their warriors aren't there means the Alliance can certainly tell who are their dedicated fighters.

yep, they do. but have you read the description of the alliance? I think You will find that's the reason why:

Humans, night elves, dwarves, gnomes, draenei, and most recently worgen make up the illustrious Alliance. Proud and noble, courageous and wise, these races work together to preserve order in Azeroth.

The Alliance is driven by honor and tradition. Its rulers are champions of justice, hope, knowledge, and faith.

In a time when chaos and uncertainty reign, the Alliance remains steadfast in its determination to bring light to the darkest corners of the world.

Wow, you snipped one sentence fragment from my whole post and only responded to it? That's classy.

However, EVERYONE always says that they are the most noble, civilized, and honorable, since the beginning of history when one ape slapped another ape over a banana. There hasn't been an empire in any human culture that I know of that hasn't expounded on end about how good and pure they are, and some even honestly believed it. Look at the Roman Empire or, better yet, the British Empire. The British Empire talked all the time about how they were bringing civilization to the planet and how deeply ingrained honor and chivalry was backed into their culture. Tradition, wisdom, faith in Anglican God, you name it, anyone in Victorian England (at least in the nobility) could tell you all that. However, ask a native Indian or African how noble the British were.

Honor and chivalry and light and hope only applies to "people". What are the odds that the Alliance (not specific members, like Jaina, but the general culture) consider plains-dwelling hunter gathering nomads like the Tauren to be "people"? Particular when the specific members of the Alliance, who are from Theramore, certainly have a score to settle with those nomads and their forces may employ mercenaries who are not known to be exactly pleasant folk.

[Bullet Tooth]

I'm on an RP server in a tauren-centric guild.
We've spent a good amount of time standing ontop of the walls telling the human "k-nig-its" to go home or we would continue to insult them further.