Suggestions for Fire mage raiding starting gear

[Deleted]

Hi, im going to start raiding again, this time as fire. I know much about my class, rotations etc. i know a few items that i will try to get asap but what about other gear pieces?

Head: Enginering one, no brainer
Weapon BS caster dagger (will be insane expensive i guess) + some offhand
or Emberstone Staff heroic DM
Chest: Corsair's Overshirt from heroic DM, cookie
Shoulders: Meadow Mantle from JP vendor (1650)
Waist: Incense Infused Cumberbund from JP vendor (1650)
Wrist: Armbands of Exiled Architects, heroic DM, Vanessa
wand: Cookie's Stirring Rod - heroic DM again

thats a few items, just need some more suggestions, maybe quests, proffesions etc

i think i will go FFB>FB so mastery is wellcome

[Cebel]

FFB is still not better then FB at 85, even in full 372 gear.

[Meonerg]

What he said ^^

[freernnur5]

I compiled a list for my guild the other day using wowhead. It is not finalized in any way obviously, but it gives a good idea of what pre-raiding gear you can get. I will list it below to show you what you can get, but as for individual gearing, stat weighing and exactly each item to go for I am not totally sure. It will probably come down to what you can get/how lucky you are. Anyways: (sorry its a big list)

Head:
Grim Batol - Crown of Enfeebled Bodies
Halls of Origination -Helm of the Typhonic Beast
Shadowfang Keep - Blinders of the Follower
Justice Point Vendor - Cowl of Pleasant Gloom

Neck:
Dragonmaw Clan - Exalted - Yellow Smoke Pendant
Lost City of the Tol'vir - Tauntka's Necklace
Shadowfang Keep - Pendant of the Keep
Throne of the Tides - Pipefish Cord
Justice Point Vendor - String of Beaded Bubbles
Halls of Origination - Charm of the Muse (zone drop)

Shoulder:
Lost City of the Tol'vir - Mantle of Master Cho
Shadowfang Keep - Mantle of the Eastern Lords
Justice Point Vendor - Meadow Mantle

Back:
Throne of the Tides - Periwinkle Cloak
The Vortex Pinnacle - Shadow of Perfect Bliss
The Earthen Ring - Cloak of Ancient Wisdom

Chest:
Blackrock Caverns - Inquisition Robes
Halls of Origination - Robes of Rampant Growth
Shadowfang Keep - Robes of Arugal
The Deadmines - Corsair's Overshirt
Ramkahen - Revered - Robes of Orsis
Justice Point Vendor - Robes of Embalmed Darkness

Wrist:
Lost City of the Tol'vir - Sand Silk Wristband
The Deadmines - Armbands of Exiled Architects

Hands:
The Earthen Ring - Exalted - Flamebloom Gloves
Throne of the Tides - Mnemiopsis Gloves
Justice Point Vendor - Gloves of the Painless Midnight

Belt:
Tailoring - Dreamless Belt
The Vortex Pinnacle - Stratosphere Belt
Blackrock Caverns - Beauty's Silken Ribbon
Justice Point Vendor - Incense Infused Cumberbund

Legs:
Tailoring - Breeches of Mended Nightmares
Tailoring - Flame-Ascended Pantaloons
Halls of Origination - Legwraps of Astral Rain
Justice Point Vendor - Pensive Legwraps

Feet:
Ramkahen - Exalted - Desert Walker Sandals
The Stonecore - Slippers of the Twilight Prophet

Rings:
Archaeology - Ring of the Boy Emperor
Throne of the Tides - Anthia's Ring
Halls of Origination - Band of Rays
Lost City of the Tol'vir - Spirit Creeper Ring
The Deadmines - Lavishly Jeweled Ring
The Stonecore - Rose Quartz Band
Dragonmaw Clan - Revered - Band of Lamentation
Therazane - Revered - Diamant's Ring of Temperance
Jewelcrafting - Ring of Warring Elements
Grim Batol - Abandoned Dark Iron Ring (zone drop)

Trinkets:
Inscription - Darkmoon Card: Volcano
Hellscream's Reach - Exalted - Stump of Time
Grim Batol - Gale of Shadows
Halls of Origination - Anhuur's Hymnal
Lost City of the Tol'vir - Sorrowsong
Blackrock Caverns - Witching Hourglass

Staff:
Archaeology - Staff of Sorcerer-Thane Thaurissan
Throne of the Tides - Cerith Spire Staff
Grim Batol - Staff of Siphoned Essences
The Deadmines - Emberstone Staff
Hellscream's Reach - Revered - Insidious Staff

Main-hand:
Blacksmithing - Elementium Spellblade
Halls of Origination - Blade of the Burning Sun
The Vortex Pinnacle - Biting Wind
Grim Batol - Modgud's Blade
Julak Doom (World Boss in Twilight Highlands I believe) - Beak of Julak-Doom

Off-hand:
Justice Point Vendor - Hermit's Lamp
Blackrock Caverns - Beauty's Favorite Bone
Inscription - Dungeoneering Guide

Wand:
Blackrock Caverns - Corla's Baton
The Deadmines - Cookie's Stirring Rod
The Stonecore - Wand of Dark Worship (zone drop)

[Avengerx]

FFB is still not better then FB at 85, even in full 372 gear.

With lowish mastery thats definitely the case,there was a post somewhere on EJ stating that with high enough mastery (exact number will have to be theorycrafted ) FFB can pull ahead of FB because of the dot.

[Deleted]

what spec does the above blue list assume?

---------- Post added 2010-12-01 at 07:28 PM ----------

i think the cut off is 50% mastery or sumthing like that for FFb to be more effective

LOL i am blind, the title says FIRE MAGE,

I totally agree the Preraid gears are not kind on Arc mages

[Erik765]

I totally agree the Preraid gears are not kind on Arc mages

Mind explaining why you think this? There's just as much haste gear as there is crit and all the other stats, imo, would be arc = fire in priority.

...could be wrong I guess.

[Cebel]

With lowish mastery thats definitely the case,there was a post somewhere on EJ stating that with high enough mastery (exact number will have to be theorycrafted ) FFB can pull ahead of FB because of the dot.

With the current state of FFB glyph, FFB will never be a better choice then FB especially with our extemely low crit ratings. The FFB glyph in its current state is showing that with 3 stacks is only dealing about 3% of the total damage of FFB, when it should be 9% according to the glyph, until this is fixed it most likely will not be better then FB and the extra 5% crit.

[Dojf]

Will we then be better of with just going haste to the closest available extra tick and then crit and scrap mastery for the start of cata?

[Daytrader]

I would like to thank freernnur5. That list is a pretty awesome reference.

[Cebel]

Will we then be better of with just going haste to the closest available extra tick and then crit and scrap mastery for the start of cata?

Most likely.... yes.
Current simcrafts show mastery being our lowest dps stat, so in most cases we would reforge our Mastery to hit > Crit to Hit > Haste to Hit > Mastery to haste > Crit to haste > Mastery to crit

[Heilige]

My current Pre-Raid Itemlist:



This is sheerly from the items itself... Raid Buffs (aside from King/Paw for Intellect) aren't taken into account, nor are points from spec. It's still in the works, will be finalizing it and updating the spreadsheet tomorrow likely.

Note: I was bad and forgot to reforge my only Mastery piece. /facepalm

But as it looks now, my Fireball and Pyroblasts will have ~35% chance to crit including raid buffs.

[Jakmax]

Most likely.... yes.
Current simcrafts show mastery being our lowest dps stat, so in most cases we would reforge our Mastery to hit > Crit to Hit > Haste to Hit > Mastery to haste > Crit to haste > Mastery to crit

Woah as a fire mage? Gotta disagree with switching crit to haste and hit, get to hit cap with gems and reforging haste and mastery, then stack crit. Once you've stacked some crit go get yourself some more crit. After that go find a ass ton of crit and stack it on as well.

[Heilige]

Woah as a fire mage? Gotta disagree with switching crit to haste and hit, get to hit cap with gems and reforging haste and mastery, then stack crit. Once you've stacked some crit go get yourself some more crit. After that go find a ass ton of crit and stack it on as well.

You need to hit the 12.75% haste benchmark for an extra Living Bomb tick before you stack crit. After 12.75% Crit is once again superior to Haste until you could theoretically reach 37.5%.

[Jakmax]

I can't imagine an extra LB tick being better than a better chance a free pyro though o.O
Can you link the theorycrafting site or post your numbers?

[sdracklryeg]

@freernnur5 wuv joo <3

[nemex]

Heilige's list is very solid. Nice work.

[zephid]

I can't imagine an extra LB tick being better than a better chance a free pyro though o.O
Can you link the theorycrafting site or post your numbers?

Well it's not only the extra damage from LB, it's also the reduced cast time on fireball etc. The extra tick on LB is just what makes haste better than crit at some levels.

[Heilige]

I can't imagine an extra LB tick being better than a better chance a free pyro though o.O
Can you link the theorycrafting site or post your numbers?

It's been the same way on EJ since Tier 8... Fire hit's 12.75% haste first, then stacks crit until you're close to 37.5%, then hit 37.5% and stack crit some more. However with the scaling of Cata, a static 37.5% haste won't be available for a considerable amount of time.

I'll be finalizing the list including reforging and crit/haste from Intellect, Spec, and raid buffs later today.

[takolin]

When you factor in raidbuffs+netherwind presence, getting to 12.75% haste shouldn't be that hard.