Raiding Builds at 85

[d j bawl]

These builds are the best or close to the best builds for raiding at 85 for each class/tree. I Searched for a few hours finding these online. Enjoy.


Blood Deathknight - http://wowtal.com/#k=twtRNuSnv.a8t.deathknight.9oSad
Frost Deathknight (DW) - http://wowtal.com/#k=716suDbA.a8t.deathknight.LLZnY
Frost Deathknight (2H) - http://wowtal.com/#k=xs-WeStwg.a8t.deathknight.CbdHI
Unholy Deathknight (DW) - http://wowtal.com/#k=7mKY1kVG.a8t.deathknight.BPslE
Unholy Deathknight (2H) - http://wowtal.com/#k=7CkgaK1b.a8t.deathknight.-fSP0O - 2 remaining points i figure go into MS or something. ill let you decide.

Balance Druid - http://wowtal.com/#k=v-JxuBLL.a8t.druid.IUDiGr
Feral Druid (Bear) - http://wowtal.com/#k=-wZnHxHiZ.a8t.druid.3syPOx
Feral Druid (Cat) - http://wowtal.com/#k=-INcTMwGS.a8t.druid.9VSCxd
Resto Druid - http://wowtal.com/#k=Rq6zX1O.a8t.druid.HZQ2g_


BM HUnter - http://wowtal.com/#k=vsRtmJ7z.a8t.hunter.xDXAU
MM HUnter - http://wowtal.com/#k=ksIQ3FMz.a8t.hunter.GjI_p
Surv Hunter - http://wowtal.com/#k=qWYXgxMT.a8t.hunter.GdIsJ

Arcane Mage - http://wowtal.com/#k=ZwPWEU02y.a8t.mage.qck-pF
Fire Mage - http://wowtal.com/#k=eeJtUcX.a8t.mage.-xMzgN
Frost Mage - http://wowtal.com/#k=RBkn_LFO.a67.mage.qIpfrR

Holy Paladin - [http://wowtal.com/#k=te4EijsRu.a8t.paladin.BcdbV
Prot Paladin - http://wowtal.com/#k=-kfXqkkL.a8t.paladin.q0na23
Ret Paladin - http://wowtal.com/#k=7soKeCo.a8t.paladin.Ry41Ig

Disc Priest - http://wowtal.com/#k=1AyCkj9.a8t.priest.-LaRwf
Holy Priest - http://wowtal.com/#k=tYcBamGA.a8t.priest.qdWd44
Shadow Priest - http://wowtal.com/#k=a5FUSxSR.a8t.priest.-YAdAw

Assassin Rogue - http://wowtal.com/#k=Y3clEm8E.a8t.rogue.GqOMb
Combat Rogue - http://wowtal.com/#k=YUgybt7n.a8t.rogue.qc8mMp
Sub Rogue - http://wowtal.com/#k=w7A_b1i0v.a8t.rogue.3I8nhD

Ele Shaman - http://wowtal.com/#k=vz_TgQsm.a8t.shaman.qmNLRn
Enh Shaman - http://wowtal.com/#k=ZbWIyzPJr.a8t.shaman.qFhJRS
Resto Shaman - http://wowtal.com/#k=m1APqB8T.a8t.shaman.RPqIq-

Aff Warlock - http://wowtal.com/#k=1yEWnZL.a8t.warlock.-aDZ5q
Demo Warlock - http://wowtal.com/#k=-AACw4OU0.a8t.warlock.RCm_FR
Dest Warlock - http://wowtal.com/#k=my5pD1v.a8t.warlock.qEnV4W

Arms Warrior - http://wowtal.com/#k=1u3vPZRR.a8t.warrior.RAmpLo
Fury Warrior - http://wowtal.com/#k=Bny1dWZE.a8t.warrior.RDgkLC
Prot Warrior - http://wowtal.com/#k=_CM55a6D.a8t.warrior.qBqqSu



While it's a noble effort to try to provide builds, the best solution is to look in the appropriate class forums where there's already a lot of discussion on the right builds for every spec. Collecting a bunch of builds here provides no easy way for feedback on any individual build, and there's no way to know that "some build from some website" is accurate without that back-and-forth discussion.

Closing this, but please do take all discussion to the class forums

--Sunshine

[Terrapin]

bookmarked in case i feel like leveling an alt to raid

[Leitao]

Thanks for taking the time but just looking at my own class (Enhance shaman) I noticed that the spec is very wrong.

Not sure if the others are like that but just letting people know that the enhance shaman one isn't optimal for raiding.

[d j bawl]

oh well i can change that. I had trouble finding the enhance build.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

just checked my own class/spec and u have some glyphs and talents that i wouldnt have for pve.
Im holy paladin and i know for example that Enlightned Judgements which gives 50/100% of spirit as hit and heals you 3k every time you use judgement is pointless. even if you were to spam exorcism for short periods in fights u only need 1/2 there. also Protector of the innocent has no point of ever having more than 2/3 since is a pvp talent mainly. Essence of light and Pursuit of Justice both gives holy power when taking direct damage, which is very often in cata dungeons and raids. And if you get snared, stunned or feared you also get a Holy power. Holy power is very importaint to us in cataclysm since it is free healing. In the glyphs, Glyph of beacon of light is worthelss. Beacon of light costs like 2k mana and lasts 5 minutes now. put it in Lay on hands glyph instead and you get 10% max mana back instantly. I choose to use glyph of the long word which makes 50% of the healing from Word of Glory over time, the induvidual tics can crit thus making the Heal over time quite powerfull, they will not however put a mastery shield on you.

Otherwise the holy paladin spec depends alot on what group you're going with and what bosses. having increased damage on holy shock and exorcism for some fights is more valuable than having 60% extra crit on word of glory on targets below 35%, even less usable since paladins at first tier of 85 has like 40% crit anyways and the tanks rarely should go under 35% and if they do a word of glory isnt the first spell you would use.

[metalh]

good work on these builds, though i have to say the resto shamy one is a bit off, those 2 points in Blessing of the Eternals would be better spent in Ancestral Swiftness. Also i would put the 3 points you have in Acuity into Focused Insight .

[Geomatician]

I had already made a post about this but all 3 warlock specs use Improved Soul fire. Infact all 3 specs are pretty much balanced around this talent, you only have it specced in destruction I suggest you fix the spec or you'll aid in the demise of many potentially good warlocks who come here looking for information. I still think this OP is completely unnecessary. I hope many new players looking for advice don't come here until you correct all the mistakes you have in the OP (which you haven't).

[d j bawl]

I took these from other websites online and just copied them into wowtal. They may not be accurate.

[Tøffel]

The Unholy spec is DW.....

[d j bawl]

The Unholy spec is DW.....

websites are still saying it is best. I will add a 2h in a few minutes.

Edited the warlocks Geo

[Deleted]

The fire mage build doesn't look to optimal either, alot of the theory craft and testers are reporting mana issues so free scorch is necessary for keeping mana up or regening in fights

I personally would drop 2 points from burning soul and pop em in improved scorch

wowtal.com/#k=eeJtUcX.a8t.mage.-xavgN
This leaves 2 points free for cauterize or clearcasting, probably not the absolute optimal but since scorch is free and still benefits from MoE it would make your dps longer lived in longer fights
alot of the problems being reported with fire is it feels like arcane with the mana management

[d j bawl]

I personally would drop 2 points from burning soul and pop em in improved scorch

If others agree i dont mind changing it. I simply got these from websites claiming they are best.

[Geomatician]

websites are still saying it is best. I will add a 2h in a few minutes.

Edited the warlocks Geo

Yeh all 3 look pretty much exactly how I will do it. When I made that post above I thought you had no interest in listening to advice, but now you've adjusted it and hoping you do with any other issues with other classes this could become a useful thread for many new players or rerollers. Although I think to make it complete you should offer a link to a reliable website which curtails everything regarding the class/spec.

What other websites have you gotten information from though? Thats what i would like to know.

[Deleted]

If others agree i don't mind changing it. I simply got these from websites claiming they are best.

That's fine I'm just basing it on my reading up on my class/spec from cata, i do spend a long time reading up on my classes mechanics etc and the most common complaints from beta and sims tends to be on longer fights fires mana becomes non existent and that scorch's dps is too low but its the only way to maintain mana etc. and that alot of players feel forced to cast scorch after a couple burns so that when the boss drops below 35% they have the mana to push there dps up, but then again this is what ive read on 3rd party sites so until we play the content ourselves i guess its mostly wait and see

[Mossmantle]

If others agree i dont mind changing it. I simply got these from websites claiming they are best.

I'll be right back, I'm going to make a website claiming my build is best.
See the problem? Unless you actually play the class you're looking at, please don't try and give us "the best" build you pulled from some website. You're only going to cause more problems for the serious people who are looking for help with their class.

If you really want to try and help (good on you, right attitude, wrong delivery) make a couple of links to the places where you got your information and hopefully there will be reasons why they chose the talents they did. If it gives explanations about choices and situational talents that's awesome and even better for learning.

Throwing up a talent and saying to someone "this is the best" doesn't really work and will only cause confusion and heated arguments.

[jarmyn]

Thanks for you time and effort. At the very least it's a good starting point :-)

[Crypt-Tonik]

Hmmm i may just be spit balling here but i though titans grips was better then Single-minded fury in the fury tree build or is single-minded fury like super dupa awesome in cata?

[d j bawl]

some have come from EJ, others from (class)builds.com

Some specs can be different depeing on the type of fight. Instead of being rude, feel free to help get the builds as best as possible k?

[Deleted]

Now this is an example of a constuctive well intentioned Thread.

Thanks for doing this.

This may sound like a alot to ask considering youve done so much is to maybe put another link called Source after each spec in order to lend credit to the original info that you got this from or thats helped form your final position.

or even easier is to put a list of sites at the bottom where most of the info came from in a general way.

Sources :
Website,
website ,
website

Is not necessary, only if you have the inclination and the time of course. only a suggestion.

Thanks again for great thread dude

[Deleted]

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I personally would drop 2 points from burning soul and pop em in improved scorch

wowtal.com/#k=eeJtUcX.a8t.mage.-xavgN
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Although again we could drop one point from Improved fire blast since 35Yards should be perfectly acceptable leaving 3 points spare for cauterize and Molten Shields, since in beta molten shields proccd blazing speeds with no points in blazing speed or the three for clearcasting