Fire 4.3 Compendium

**Pyrion** · 2012-02-12, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by Aquamonkey

This got me to thinking... would it be worth it to get haste to just under the next tick plateau? This would reduce the time on LB and make it detonate sooner. (Completely hypothetical, ignoring all other spells)

Interesting.... If you ever find out the answer to this from any other source than this thread please post it here!

**Soulstrike** · 2012-02-12, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by Aquamonkey

This got me to thinking... would it be worth it to get haste to just under the next tick plateau? This would reduce the time on LB and make it detonate sooner. (Completely hypothetical, ignoring all other spells)

??? what do you mean "JUST UNDER" next tick plateau??

not entirely sure about redcuce the time on LB(i know it does but dont know how it works) but the point for next tick plateau is to get more ticks of living bomb out of it with just 1 GCD not to make it detonate it quicker

**efefes** · 2012-02-12, 01:28 AM

soulstrike this mumbers of haste rating is with the %haste buff or no ? , and tell me ur opinion In case that 5% buff cant be obtained with our current setup what whould you aim for ?

**Aquamonkey** · 2012-02-12, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by Soulstrike

??? what do you mean "JUST UNDER" next tick plateau??

not entirely sure about redcuce the time on LB(i know it does but dont know how it works) but the point for next tick plateau is to get more ticks of living bomb out of it with just 1 GCD not to make it detonate it quicker

Explosion damage is more than 1 extra tick. Would using more GCDs putting LB up more often offset the DPS gain from it detonating more often?

**Soulstrike** · 2012-02-12, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by efefes

soulstrike this mumbers of haste rating is with the %haste buff or no ? , and tell me ur opinion In case that 5% buff cant be obtained with our current setup what whould you aim for ?

no its just NP which is from your talent 3% haste >_> around about 2200 no less than that imo

Originally Posted by Aquamonkey

Explosion damage is more than 1 extra tick. Would using more GCDs putting LB up more often offset the DPS gain from it detonating more often?

you would rather cast a fireball in that time and fireball iteself does more damage than LB explosion

anyways get to your 5th tick of your living bomb is sooo easy to get but 6th is bit up there(you will sacrifice alot of crit if you want to hit the next LB tick)

**Frostbites** · 2012-02-13, 05:28 AM

Even with 4 piece tier 13, is it better to combust as soon as a good crit happens?
This having to wait for stack stolen time is really screwing with my opening.

**Pyrion** · 2012-02-13, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by Frostbites

Even with 4 piece tier 13, is it better to combust as soon as a good crit happens?
This having to wait for stack stolen time is really screwing with my opening.

Usually it is worth it. A good crit with all procs (power torrent etc...) will make combustion tick harder and it will deal more total damage than one without all int procs and one extra tick, in my experience.

**Greywardenn** · 2012-02-13, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Aquamonkey

Explosion damage is more than 1 extra tick. Would using more GCDs putting LB up more often offset the DPS gain from it detonating more often?

I don't think it would be wise to have LB blow up sooner,.....wouldn't this be horrible because then you are wasting a gcd that could have been used on a fireball when re-applying LB so much more often. I could be wrong here,...but I sound so right lol

**DeathDefier** · 2012-02-13, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by Frostbites

Even with 4 piece tier 13, is it better to combust as soon as a good crit happens?
This having to wait for stack stolen time is really screwing with my opening.

Yes, never wait for stacks if you can get a much higher ignite without waiting. Remember one extra tick isn't going to do much if all your other ticks are hitting for half of what they could have. An easy way around this as well is to get Insignia of the Corrupted Mind ASAP. It allows your first combustion to not require any amount of stacks at all because it most likely will be procced by the time you want to use your first combust of the fight.

**Hartlin** · 2012-02-14, 03:56 AM

On average, how much damage are you guys realistically getting per combustion? Assume an average combustion, nothing super great, nor super weak. What kind of ignite values are you setting as your threshold?

**efefes** · 2012-02-14, 06:37 AM

btw soulstrike tried ur advice with a little change at haste rating since im goblin and it works i lost like 2.5% to reach this haste but it worked nicely , so good call

thought you whould like to know it

**DeathDefier** · 2012-02-14, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by Hartlin

On average, how much damage are you guys realistically getting per combustion? Assume an average combustion, nothing super great, nor super weak. What kind of ignite values are you setting as your threshold?

I would shoot for at least 15k ticks of combustion.

**Olteanu** · 2012-02-15, 08:58 AM

can someone tell me which are the best professions for a fire mage ? i actually have engineering and tailoring which give me Lightweave Embroidery (580 int for 15 sec on proc) and Synapse Springs (480 int 10 sec every minute) is there a better combination of professions?

**Aquamonkey** · 2012-02-15, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Olteanu

can someone tell me which are the best professions for a fire mage ? i actually have engineering and tailoring which give me Lightweave Embroidery (580 int for 15 sec on proc) and Synapse Springs (480 int 10 sec every minute) is there a better combination of professions?

I forget the exact number, but Lightweave averages out to more than the other profession bonuses. The rest are mostly the same at 80 int. If you are maxing out on all epic gems, Blacksmithing becomes 100 int bonus and Jewelcrafting becomes the worst at 51 int bonus.

**Kimpan** · 2012-02-15, 12:20 PM

Hello!

I need some wpn suggestion.. I got 3x thats like the same but cant decide which one to pick.

I got these: Rathrak, the Poisonous Mind (LFR), Firethorn Mindslicer (Heroic), Ruthless Gladiator's Spellblade (S10 elite).

I feel like the Rathrak can be kinda nice for aoe fights if it procs from dots and shit, otherwise Firethorn might be better.

**Shangalar** · 2012-02-15, 01:20 PM

Go with the Mindslicer. It gives 2 Intellect less than the Spellblade, but it gives you hit and crit, and in T13 gear it's rather complicated to pick up all the necessary hit rating without bashing your head on the keyboard while reforging.

Rathrak gives both less spell power and no stats, which is not useful. If you can get your hands on the normal version then sure, but currently, stick with the Mindslicer.

**Kimpan** · 2012-02-15, 02:16 PM

Yeah, I was a retard and linked the wrong item :P I got Volcanospike not Mindslicer! Guess I still should go for Volcano

**Pyrion** · 2012-02-15, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Kimpan

Yeah, I was a retard and linked the wrong item :P I got Volcanospike not Mindslicer! Guess I still should go for Volcano

I would go with volcanospike, I think it sucks that the DW weps have no secondary stats.

**n0cks** · 2012-02-16, 04:25 AM

I'm having an issue with CombustionHelper.
Sometimes, it shows that my Combustion should tick for 20k, but instead, it ticks for 11k or so, while I'm not losing any dot.
Indeed, I don't know if I really unlucky with RNG, but I usually have just a few pyro! procs and low ignite pools

**angayelle** · 2012-02-16, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by n0cks

I'm having an issue with CombustionHelper.
Sometimes, it shows that my Combustion should tick for 20k, but instead, it ticks for 11k or so, while I'm not losing any dot.
Indeed, I don't know if I really unlucky with RNG, but I usually have just a few pyro! procs and low ignite pools

Combustionhelper doesn't show estimated Combustion damage, the formula isn't known yet, you might be seeing the ignite damage running which is shown at 2 different place in the addon panel.

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