Thread: Resto Druid Guide - 4.3+

Originally Posted by Thalur

There's a calculator that can tell you which talents are best for you given your log, I'm sure someone can provide the link.

http://theincbear.com/living-seed-replacement

Originally Posted by Brother

Hey Druids, I just have a quick question regarding weapons.

I have Maw of the Dragonlord (normal) and Vagaries of Time (Hc), and my question is which weapon to take.
Or does it depend fight wise? So on Ultraxion (where I'm not Healing) you would choose Maw and on other fights where people aren't stacked Vagaries?
Or do I take the hc weapon just because of more Int and Spellpower?

Maw doesn't heal you and works like light of dawn, so if you aren't able to heal others(10 yard range) it's pointless. It has no secondary stats though, so if you want the best situation you would switch them in and out per fight. Any fight maw isn't going to heal others, use the other.

What would be the helpfulness or repercussions of getting gear that gives MAXIMUM Int with epic gems be?

I made a list of the possible items, but not sure i can post the tooltips on here.

Is it just me or our 4 piece bonus seems to proc a lot more often after 4.3.2?
Before this patch i barely noticed it proc, but now i would say it's up a lot.

Originally Posted by tidus93

Is it completely pointless going full on haste? i.e getting haste enchant on gloves instead of mastery, and reforging all mastery into haste?

example: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ragnaros/Zyhén/advanced

In this person's case, he got about 50 haste "too much". The amount of haste to go for would be 2005 (if you have 5% spell haste buff).

However he got a huge amount of spirit, especially with that trinket (around 4k). That is... a lot. You shouldn't need that much. I would suggest reforging spirit into haste, instead of mastery into haste.

u think its worth to go for 11th wg/tranq tick (with Seal of Seven Signs proc) what would require losing 323 passive intelect (switching from Heart of Unliving to Bottled Wishes)? I would have 2591 unbuffed haste (with 14% mastery and 3k Spirit) and 5% raid buff what would bring me to over 50% haste with trink proc?

Originally Posted by idrill

u think its worth to go for 11th wg/tranq tick (with Seal of Seven Signs proc) what would require losing 323 passive intelect (switching from Heart of Unliving to Bottled Wishes)? I would have 2591 unbuffed haste (with 14% mastery and 3k Spirit) and 5% raid buff what would bring me to over 50% haste with trink proc?

The value of the 5493 breakpoint over the 2005 breakpoint is about 1200-1300 IEP. With a 2 min ICD, uptime of the buff is at most 16.7%, so you will get at most 216 IEP worth of the buff. Losing 323 passive intellect (on top of mastery/spirit reforged to haste) will not be worth it.

No issues does not = best way to do it. All of your 'theories' have been proven wrong with numbers on spreadsheets and ingame testing.

BoTG is crap. It's horrible. The amount of healing you receive with it compared to any other talents, including LS which is also crap, even if you RJ blanket, doesn't compete. If you test this ingame you can see for yourself.

What does LS have to do with glyph of HT? As the OP says, when you consider the best spec you end up having only a few optional leftover points. You can put those into BotG, LS, NB, or Pers. Pers is based on what you are progressing on, both LS and NB with minimal uptime outweighs BotG is maximum uptime, so a bit of a no brainer.

What does naturalist have to do with NB? You take Nat for the times you cast HT or anytime you cast nourish without 3 RJs. And yes, you still get the full effect from NB. You do know glyph of healing touch is for NS right? So if you don't take NS, why use the glyph? Also... naturalist =/= casting HT over and over. The 2 have nothing to do with each other. Obviously if you are a tank healer and you cast HT a ton you take both, but that's talking about setting up a character for a role, not general importance of a talent. I used to not agree with it, but Ej and many people much more versed in numbers have all agreed Nat is a talent you just don't drop.

For haste, yes, the OP says sit on the haste cap which is 21.5%. And no, the way you tried to explain it is not how it works. You don't just add 5% onto whatever you have. This is why it's broken down into breakpoints do you know with what buffs the exact number of haste you need.

Mastery is not anymore inconsistant that crit. The guide fully explains this. Crit is close to mastery in value, but the weights are different. To have equal mastery and crit you would need a lot more mastery due to passive talents and gaining crit from other places. So when gearing, mastery > crit. It's a hard comparison to try and simplify because while crit may be close sometimes to mastery, you still never gear for it. So, it's easier when telling people stat priority to just say mastery>crit or fully explain how it works.

As for furor vs MG, as the guide says: If all you are doing is spamming inexpensive spells (Nourish, Lifebloom and/or Swiftmend) Furor is better. But if that's all you're spamming, then mana isn't an issue at all and your talent choice doesn't matter. However, if you're using any kind of mana-intensive rotation (Healing Touch, Wild Growth, Rejuvenation and/or Regrowth) Moonglow wins by a wide margin.

When mana is an issue, Moonglow will always be better.

This is considering gear. So, unless you are on farm content, doing LFR, or just working/doing something that you can just spam and it doesn't matter furor is better. Until then, MG is going to be better.


There are a lot of people who come into discussions and since they are doing 'fine' they try and say the numbers, which have been proven factual, are wrong. If you don't want to follow min/maxing you don't need to. DS, even the harder HMs, are no longer hard. But, you still have to accept that spreadsheets, theorycrafters, ingame testers, and guides base their advice off things that have actually been proven, not a hunch on how they think something may be. =]


If you really want a lot more indepth information on all kinds of numbers for druids right now I'd suggest reading through EJs thread. The conversations should explain in a lot more detail some of the points you made and how they are incorrect: http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t110354-...3_dragon_soul/

Originally Posted by soul012

The way i see it, furor get better with gear, and Moonglow doesn't which is why i hate the fact that you put a number on.

And thats where you went completely wrong. Moonglow does scale perfectly with gear, you just need to look a little harder to see it. Reducing mana cost by 9% makes your available mana and regenerated mana, more effective. In fact, you get the exact same effect if you keep the mana cost the same and increase your max mana and mana regen by 1/.91 = 9.89%

Why Moonglow's 9.89% is better than Furor's 15% is because Moonglow works with Meditation, whereas Furor doesn't, and the majority of our mana regeneration comes from Meditation.

Myrrar's covered just about everything else, but again I'd like to highlight something: Just because something works for you doesn't mean that it is the optimal way of doing things.