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  1. #241
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    Quote Originally Posted by gherkin View Post
    The Warlock Circle Jerk, and when its appropriate:
    This section should be removed entirely, as I believe that dark intent when cast on another warlock cancels out that warlocks own DI. This is what I saw happen the other night when I casted DI on my raids second warlock (no other dot classes) and the second warlock's DI on the resto druid disappeared.
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  2. #242
    Thank you for all the hard work and information Gherkin. With the probable upcomming nerfs of 12% to three of the shadow priests dots (though a 12% increase to one) I am surprised that they still gain the most from DI. Can you confirm/deny please whether these changes have been taken into account for the 4.2 figures? Yes I did read that mechanics were included but not sure that includes the above. Moonkins too have a lot of changes coming up which will affect their gain from it as well. Thank you for your time.

  3. #243
    Holy Paladins' Holy Radiance counts as a HoT and with the reduced cooldown coming up on 4.2, it gives the buff for 17 seconds every 20 seconds, if it is used on cooldown, as it should be. That would still place them under druids, and probably under shamans, but definately not last on the line, concerning healers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sepharoth View Post
    Holy Paladins' Holy Radiance counts as a HoT and with the reduced cooldown coming up on 4.2, it gives the buff for 17 seconds every 20 seconds, if it is used on cooldown, as it should be. That would still place them under druids, and probably under shamans, but definately not last on the line, concerning healers.
    Only Disc. Priests below them then.

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    I followed one of your warlock leveling guides to get to 80 over a year ago, haven't loved another class the same since. As always great guide, great guy. Thanks

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    Thank you for all the hard work and information Gherkin. With the probable upcomming nerfs of 12% to three of the shadow priests dots (though a 12% increase to one) I am surprised that they still gain the most from DI. Can you confirm/deny please whether these changes have been taken into account for the 4.2 figures? Yes I did read that mechanics were included but not sure that includes the above. Moonkins too have a lot of changes coming up which will affect their gain from it as well. Thank you for your time.
    Mind Flay got buffed by 12%, and when talking game mechanics, Mind Flay counts as a DoT.
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  7. #247
    Doesn't this thread need an update, Dark Intent is no longer 9% for both sides? Excuse me if it's already updated, but I'm pretty sure the values of dps gains per class were very identical to what we see now.
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    I think it's 3 % (1 % x 3) for our targets now... but that wouldn't change the order of usefulness per class as far as I can tell. 3 % haste for whoever benefits most of it would still be good even though they don't get the 9% anymore. In turn we'd still benefit most from whichever class and spec would proc it most often, so our preferred targets would remain the same, too.

  9. #249
    I know they sort of remain the same, I don't need to run calculations to tell you that. Next time please read, I'm talking about the dps gains, they are inaccurate.
    Now these points of data make a beautiful line.

  10. #250
    I'm a shadow Priest here with some questions.

    Are we not the best choice anymore? because lately if I'm in a 5 man, or a raid with a warlock it is very rare that I see I get the buff. It seems like 1 outta ever 5 warlocks I am in a group with actually pick me (most of the time the only shadowpriest) for Dark Intent.

    I had talked to a few warlock friends about it, and one says he always picks a shaman over any thing. Any kind of shaman. Is that normal? Second a healer. (any random healer)

    A few others will say they pick a druid first. This one time got into an arguement with a KITTY druid! about which one of us should be picked.

    Once in a BH25 run I was the only shadowpriest and there where 3 warlocks, and they all picked mages.

    Is there a way to convince a Warlock to choose me?
    Last edited by azza; 2011-07-26 at 04:45 PM.

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    in 5 mans, where dps isn't a concern, sticking it on a healer can be a good idea, unless you know the healer, and know they can cope properly. in BH, the locks could've been receiving FM in return maybe?? or maybe they knew the mages. unless your raid leader tells the lock otherwise, there isn't a way to convince them. i guess you can point them to here, to see how DIing you provides higher personal dps for the lock, over something like a kitty possibly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azza View Post
    I'm a shadow Priest here with some questions.

    Are we not the best choice anymore? because lately if I'm in a 5 man, or a raid with a warlock it is very rare that I see I get the buff. It seems like 1 outta ever 5 warlocks I am in a group with actually pick me (most of the time the only shadowpriest) for Dark Intent.

    I had talked to a few warlock friends about it, and one says he always picks a shaman over any thing. Any kind of shaman. Is that normal? Second a healer. (any random healer)

    A few others will say they pick a druid first. This one time got into an arguement with a KITTY druid! about which one of us should be picked.

    Once in a BH25 run I was the only shadowpriest and there where 3 warlocks, and they all picked mages.

    Is there a way to convince a Warlock to choose me?
    this is funny due to the way feral stats weight changes once t12 comes into play haste plays a huge a huge factor in ferals play now more omen procs more shreds more dps now of course is comes down to gear if your in like 353 gear and the feral is all 378 i would pick the feral over the priest

  13. #253
    Sometimes in 5 mans, the warlock will give it to the healer, no matter what class, purely for the haste gain and quicker heals than for the dps gain. We want to survive more than we want to out dps.
    Even though we're told SP's are the best target for DI, it does not mean that every SP is eligible or better than the mage/boomkin/etc. A lot of shadowpriests just suck and the DI is better spent elsewhere. It's up to the warlock and whether they know you and your skill.

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    Maybe i'm a bit dim, but i want this confirmed before i bring it up in raid.

    I'm not sure if i'm interpreting "raid dps gain" column correctly.


    Class DPS GAIN
    1) Shadow Priest 2620
    2) Balance Druid 2483


    Does this mean that on the condition a boomkin is ahead of the spriest on a given fight (both without DI) by 140 dps, it's more beneficial to the raid to stick DI on the boomkin? Seems very low a figure.

    What i'm really interested in is how to find that breakpoint, when it's better for raid dps to stick DI on the "other" guy.
    Last edited by Gothmog; 2011-08-07 at 11:46 PM.

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    so guys, i am having a dilemma here during baleroc. The feral druid from my guild insisted that i casted the DI on him during baleroc, while the shadowpriest asked me to cast in the moonkin. The feral druid outgears the moonkin by a LOT and baleroc is a fight that the feral druid wouldn't need to leave the boss. Should I cast it on the moonkin anyway? thanks in advance

  16. #256
    Ask your restos about what their haste rating is before you give them it.

    Like 400 (Quite rare) GIVE!!!!

    around 1000 = Don't give

    around 1500 = GIVE

    around 2000 = Don't give

    3% haste is so freakin useless unless it's used to get to certain breaking points on HoTs, give it to an HPaladin or some DPS who can benefit.

  17. #257
    Holy Paladin? Are you kidding?...

    Pretty sure we can give the buff to anyone we please.. I don't see how 3% haste is useless in the slightest, even if you don't reach a HoT tick barrier casts are considerably more quicker.

  18. #258
    Putting it on a resto might not provide the greatest benefit from their haste but 3% more to their hots is not unsubstantial. 80% of druid healing is healing over time on most fights (exceptions being baleroc/alysrazor/shannox)

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    Question Outdated or not?

    I raid as a demo lock in a 25m guild. Historically, I have been the only lock in our raid and have thus buffed our Spriest with DI. Recently, we added an affliction lock to our roster. I am wondering what the best method for DI is for our comp now?

    Demo DI Spriest
    afflock DI Boomkin

    or

    Me DI afflock
    afflock DI Spriest

    I know that a true circle jerk of DI isn't optimal, but I'm wondering where affliction's dots place them on the list in a 25m raid with more than one lock. (OMG I hope that makes sense. ha)

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmrhead View Post
    Me DI afflock
    afflock DI Spriest
    If you cast DI on another lock their DI gets canceled out. So if you cast the DI on your affliction lock. Your DI would be canceled once the Affliction lock casts their DI on the Shadow Priest.
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