Last 3pts

[pallyballz]

Im wondering as Fireball spec if it's better to put the last 3pts in Clearcasting or in Blastwave/Imp Flamestrike. I realize that the obvious difference is better AoE but is there much need for it in the new raids? My guild starts raiding tomorrow. Any help would be great. Thanks!

[Archimand]

clearcasting you gonna spend tons of mana till you get better geard and will go oom quick

[Swizzle]

You don't put more than two points into Arcane Concentration as Fire.

[Cebel]

You don't put more than two points into Arcane Concentration as Fire.

wrong information is wrong.

For single target fights ( chim, atramedes, ect ) it is more beneficial to have 3/3 arcane concentration then say 2 points into imp flamestrike, and a point in blastwave, as those talents will give you NO benefit.

[Swizzle]

wrong information is wrong.

For single target fights ( chim, atramedes, ect ) it is more beneficial to have 3/3 arcane concentration then say 2 points into imp flamestrike, and a point in blastwave, as those talents will give you NO benefit.

Because you assume the man has two raiding fire specs? According to actual math done, points past the first don't increase DPS nearly as much as you would think due to the ICD on the talent. One point provides an awesome DPS boost, the second modest, the third ignorable.

[Seefourdc]

Because you assume the man has two raiding fire specs? According to actual math done, points past the first don't increase DPS nearly as much as you would think due to the ICD on the talent. One point provides an awesome DPS boost, the second modest, the third ignorable.

You're wrong, but you can have your opinion. All 3 points have the same value return per point dropped. It doesn't matter if the talent has a ICD 33% is 33% saved on each spell it procs on and 66% is 66% saved. It's not a curve of effect, it's directly returning mana every time it procs in the percent shown. Math is not that difficult.

---------- Post added 2010-12-19 at 03:13 AM ----------

To add to the points already made... Improved fireblast is a waste of points, cauterize is not providing any dps increase and is pretty useless on every fight. I would actually say that considering all of the available fights that pyromaniac is not that useful on any fights except Halfus Wyrmbreaker. (Shouldn't be up more than 10 seconds total on maloriak, maybe 10 sec omnotron, and zero on basically every other fight). If you're going to run ONE fire spec it should really be 6/32/3 with 3 arc concentration, no points cauterize, no points fireblast, 2 points imp flamestrike, 1 point pyromaniac. You should be able to figure out the rest.

[Imnick]

You'd have to be a real idiot not to take cauterize, mistakes happen and allowing you not to die when they do is incredibly valuable.

[Deleted]

paladins were flamed in 3.2 because they had that OP ardent defender back then. it allowed them to survive nearly any boss skill that would one-shot them (like soul reaper, big bang, ...). having that as a DPS with 1 minute shorter CD is really useful. it allows your healers to focus on other DPS and tanks that don't have that mechanic.

[Doctor Deanster]

Clear casting. trust me you will need it. but that really depends on how much mana you use.

[Swizzle]

You're wrong, but you can have your opinion. All 3 points have the same value return per point dropped. It doesn't matter if the talent has a ICD 33% is 33% saved on each spell it procs on and 66% is 66% saved. It's not a curve of effect, it's directly returning mana every time it procs in the percent shown. Math is not that difficult.

---------- Post added 2010-12-19 at 03:13 AM ----------

To add to the points already made... Improved fireblast is a waste of points, cauterize is not providing any dps increase and is pretty useless on every fight. I would actually say that considering all of the available fights that pyromaniac is not that useful on any fights except Halfus Wyrmbreaker. (Shouldn't be up more than 10 seconds total on maloriak, maybe 10 sec omnotron, and zero on basically every other fight). If you're going to run ONE fire spec it should really be 6/32/3 with 3 arc concentration, no points cauterize, no points fireblast, 2 points imp flamestrike, 1 point pyromaniac. You should be able to figure out the rest.

Le sigh.

1 Arcane Concentration First point Optional. Second and third point skip. This talent is a minor DPS upgrade. The DPS value of the first point of Arcane Concentration is much higher than the other two, check the Additional Talent Notes section for more detail.

Source: Fire Mage Compendium. Now, do everyone here, including myself, a favor and stop posting false information and drivel.

[Deleted]

You're wrong, but you can have your opinion. All 3 points have the same value return per point dropped. It doesn't matter if the talent has a ICD 33% is 33% saved on each spell it procs on and 66% is 66% saved. It's not a curve of effect, it's directly returning mana every time it procs in the percent shown. Math is not that difficult.

It appears that you've not bothered to read the talent to see how it actually works. 1 point doesn't give you a chance to save 33% mana of the next spell, it gives you a chance to save 100% of the next spell. The second and third points in this talent simply increase the chance that this will happen, with diminishing returns due to the ICD of the talent.