Fire mage - haste for extra tick or ignore for mastery?

[Eschatonin]

I've been balancing my haste at 4.5% so I'm able to get 12.5% in raid for the extra tick on my pyro and LB dots. I was wondering if it is beneficial to get haste to go no further than meeting this amount, or simply ignoring it to stack more mastery?

[DirewolfX]

Get the extra tick. After that haste and mastery are about equal, with mastery only slightly ahead. I would worry about crit/hit more than mastery/haste.

[cookiesncreme]

Fire Mages' stat priorities:

First and foremost is Intellect.
Hit is second.
Crit is third.
Haste and Mastery are equal in weight but aren't as important as the first three.

Our DoTs aren't our main source of damage.

[Eschatonin]

Thanks Direwolf. I had to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong other than not having enough crit from gear yet.

[Deleted]

at this stage, you cant get crit high enough for it to be worth taking, ive capped hit, then gone entirely for mastery, your dots are ticking constantly and at 19 mastery you get about 50% extra damage per tick, it all adds up, also, arcane missiles has a 40% chance to proc, meaning its not worth taking imporved pyro unless your crit is higher than 40% - this includes glyphed fire ball crit etc, im doing around 15-17k dps in raids with this set up, but saying that it will most likely change when im out of blues, the other mage in my guild is running hit/crit and there is literally no diffrence in our dps, with us shifting place on the meters based on movement and situation alone

[Carty]

If you've reforged all mastery and your pyro doesn't proc do you waste cast time to throw one off?

[daydayhyphy]

going crit with this kind of gear imo is not worth it. haste would be a better option for now. extra tick and faster casting

[Imnick]

If you've reforged all mastery and your pyro doesn't proc do you waste cast time to throw one off?

Don't reforge all mastery, you want crit.
Don't hard cast pyroblast.

Some people are claiming that crit is bad because you can't get enough to make pyroblast better.
...and?

Crit makes every spell you cast do 40% more damage by igniting.
Without ignite your mastery is going to be less valuable as you're not going to get very many ignite procs and that's a pretty important fire mage DOT effect.
Plus crits just do extra damage anway, and give you mana back. It is your best secondary stat.

[daydayhyphy]

you have to crit for those talents to matter and right now you aren't. with casters needing 17% hit i don't see our crit being very high for now.

[Deleted]

So much misinformation being thrown out on the mmo forums nowadays

Crit is our best secondary stat after hit period. /thread

Nearly all the talents within the fire tree rely on critting. Without crit, you dont proc ignite, you dont proc pyro as much, you can't use combustion because you dont have ignite/pyro up. Next time your raiding something and you have a streak with no crits/pyros just have a glance at how much dps your doing at that point, not alot!

Mastery and haste are of equal value after you reach the threshold for the first extra dot tick on a twelve second dot (Living Bomb/Pyroblast)

Although from a personal pov haste is better because it aids in everything, faster cast, smaller gcd, faster poly's, etc etc

So to recap, INT > HIT(to cap) > Crit > Haste = Mastery

[Charge me Doctor]

i stll think that haste is superior. Raid buffed i have 20% haste, so, i can stack ignite for 20k per tick, without movement because ignite don't have time to start ticking if i got lucky crit streak.
You get your crit from gear and tallents (raid buffed i'm on 25%, add here scorch and fireball glyph), reforge mastery to hit, then balance haste around 15% self buffed, and then >> all to crit

[Imnick]

i stll think that haste is superior. Raid buffed i have 20% haste, so, i can stack ignite for 20k per tick, without movement because ignite don't have time to start ticking if i got lucky crit streak.
You get your crit from gear and tallents (raid buffed i'm on 25%, add here scorch and fireball glyph), reforge mastery to hit, then balance haste around 15% self buffed, and then >> all to crit

This topic is from December
Five months have passed since this topic was relevant
You are disagreeing with information five months old, what was said here obviously no longer applies and it was pointless to bump it just to say so

[Charge me Doctor]

sorry, fought this thread with google