Archaeology Tips

[Mandorin]

Tip 3 does not make sense to me...

That is the most important tip of all tbh, too bad i didnt realize that until i was 525=/

And no Zeppelin, he does mean it just as he writes it

Why it makes sence is because if you save kalimdor till 525 theres a point in doin the hundredes of projects you are forced to do while hoping to get the tol'vir spawns.
If you do as I did and level up in kalimdor you will have no rares left from nelf/ fossil and are just collecting greys.

I can promise you that in the end if you wanna go for them all in both EK and Kalimdor, you're likely to save atleast a full day in played time by doing your leveling in EK.

[Kewi]

#3 is confusing, I mean, don't do them so you can do them later, is basically what he's saying ?

[Monteverdi]

The only tip here that is actually useful is #1.

#2 is false, you can solve 1000 times, and still never see the epic, or you can get the epic on your very first discovery (as happened to me with Nerubians.)

#3 doesn't even make sense. Yes, Uldum dig sites share a spawn chance with other dig sites in Kalimdor. (Meaning you have to clear dig sites in Kalimdor to spawn a dig site in Uldum, alongside all the other possibilities.) However, that has nothing to do with what you do in Eastern Kingdoms. Also, the recipe for the Vial of the Sands comes from a COMMON Tol'vir artifact, not a rare one.

#2 is actually very true, it's a great tip. What he's saying is, since you can't unlock the 359 epics until 450, if you're farming for a specific one, don't solve any of that race's artifacts until you hit 450, because every solve before 450 is wasted, as you can't possibly unlock the item until 450.

[Drunkenfinn]

1. Level up archeology to 100 without solving anything.
2. Level up archeology to 450 in EK without solving a single Troll-artifact, whilst every other digsite is a Troll one.
3. Start solving your 1500 Troll Fragments and 45 Troll Tablets.
4. Realize that you only got useless gray items from all those solves.
5. Cry your eyes out and lose your will to live realizing you just wasted countless of hours into useless crap.

QQ

[mypally]

all his tips make sense

tip 2 refers to level 85 epics, which you cannot get till you are 450+. BC epics require 375+, ect. Mounts of course are not lvl base epics, so do not apply.

tip 3 refers to the fact that if you 1-300 in kalimdor, you will have gotten most of the nightelf and fossil stuff done already. Since they share sites with tolvir, when you start to level tol vir, you will waste alot of sites on night elf and fossil stuff which you will have probably fully solved. To help this, do 1-300 in eastern kingdoms

did that help?

[unreall]

Archeology is 100% RNG.

[Kewi]

Makes sense, didn't think you'd solve everything in Kalimdor while leveling

[Atrea]

#2 is actually very true, it's a great tip. What he's saying is, since you can't unlock the 359 epics until 450, if you're farming for a specific one, don't solve any of that race's artifacts until you hit 450, because every solve before 450 is wasted, as you can't possibly unlock the item until 450.

That doesn't mean anything, how do you 'waste' solves?
You gain skill from them. Even after you reach 525, there is no guarantee you will EVER get the rare puzzles.

This is essentially Gambler's Fallacy, and it doesn't mean squat.

[Pootch]

1. Level up archeology to 100 without solving anything.
2. Level up archeology to 450 in EK without solving a single Troll-artifact, whilst every other digsite is a Troll one.
3. Start solving your 1500 Troll Fragments and 45 Troll Tablets.
4. Realize that you only got useless gray items from all those solves.
5. Cry your eyes out and lose your will to live realizing you just wasted countless of hours into useless crap.

QQ

sry guys .. but Archaeology is the most unusful thing to do in world of wacraft..
470 skillpoints.. and got nothing then greys...

[Simca]

That doesn't mean anything, how do you 'waste' solves?
You gain skill from them. Even after you reach 525, there is no guarantee you will EVER get the rare puzzles.

This is essentially Gambler's Fallacy, and it doesn't mean squat.

You still gain more chances at the item if you save your fragments in a specific category. Gambler's Fallacy doesn't apply here. Nobody is saying anything about a guarantee.

[Atrea]

Check out my recent activity to see just how useless it is.

I guess Zin'rokh, Destroyer of Worlds, is just a hunk of crap.

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You still gain more chances at the item if you save your fragments in a specific category. Gambler's Fallacy doesn't apply here. Nobody is saying anything about a guarantee.

Statistically insignificant.
More chances does not mean an increased chance, hence, Gambler's Fallacy applies quite perfectly.

If you level from 100-300 in EK/Kalimdor, that's 40 solves, spread across several different categories.
Considering that the most common two finds in EK are Troll and Fossil, and in Kalimdor, Night Elf and Fossil, chances are you will be using a lot of fossils anyway. The small number (I think I did a total of 10) non-fossil solves you do before reaching 300 (and heading to Outland) is insignificant, and you will spend more time avoiding solving, so you can max your skill out, than you would digging up new fragments for more chances.

Believe me, when you are trying to complete Dwarf and Tol'vir, you will get all the Night Elf and Troll fragments you could ever want, to say nothing about Fossils. Not to mention that you will get Night Elf and Troll fragments in Northrend.

[Nheo]

I started Archeology new, got myself up to 225 skill atm. But reading all the post about it leaves me with a question:

If I find a green fregment, is it better for me to save it when my skill is high enough to use them on epic-finds?
Cuz now I am tempted to use them to skill up quicker, but I recon you'd need them when my skill is high enough to find epics?

[Strafferen]

This "guide" / "tips" is a bit... meh!

Sure, tip one might work, but how on earth would you level from 125-450... since all digsites are Grey, and you're not supposed to solve anything. If you're then only supposed to level up one of the categories, I still cannot see the gain.

Sure, loads of Researches at 450 might be nice, but it would take close to forever, to get 450.

[Simca]

Statistically insignificant.
More chances does not mean an increased chance, hence, Gambler's Fallacy applies quite perfectly.

If you level from 100-300 in EK/Kalimdor, that's 40 solves, spread across several different categories.
Considering that the most common two finds in EK are Troll and Fossil, and in Kalimdor, Night Elf and Fossil, chances are you will be using a lot of fossils anyway. The small number (I think I did a total of 10) non-fossil solves you do before reaching 300 (and heading to Outland) is insignificant, and you will spend more time avoiding solving, so you can max your skill out, than you would digging up new fragments for more chances.

Believe me, when you are trying to complete Dwarf and Tol'vir, you will get all the Night Elf and Troll fragments you could ever want, to say nothing about Fossils. Not to mention that you will get Night Elf and Troll fragments in Northrend.

The conclusion you've drawn is ironically based on luck and personal experience.

The data I've presented in this thread (http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...or-Archaeology!) contradicts your assertion about fossils being omnipresent.

In fact, on both continents, Fossil dig sites make up less than 30% of the continent. Night Elf sites on Kalimdor, on the other hand, or are well over 50%.

You do have a point in that it could maybe be faster to level up Archaeology first and then take to get post-450 solves, but somehow, if the math were done using the numbers I provided, I really doubt this would be the case. I bet it would come down to luck. There isn't really a clearcut answer.

[Braggia]

More chances does not mean an increased chance

Errrr... what?

Either you don't understand what he is saying, or your understanding of statistics is pretty far off.

He is simply saying that until you reach skill level 450, your chance of unlocking one of the ilvl 359 epics is exactly ZERO. If all that you care about are the ilvl 359 epics, then it makes absolutely no sense at all to waste fragments on a race that will later be able to spawn those epics. So level up by ONLY spending fragments in categories that do not contain epic gear (fossil, for example).

Once you hit skill level 450, then you use all of your saved up fragments, since each project will now have a (very small) chance to spawn the ilvl 359 epic item project. Obviously there is no guarantee that you will get one, and you might unlock it on your first try, or you might still be trying on your 1000th. But if you think that more chances does not equal a higher overall probability of success, then you really need to brush up on your statistics.