Nonexistance of Priest healer items

[Deleted]

And why would you want haste over crit? It's not like you are racing other healers to whack that mole faster anymore, and a crit means you heal for more for the same price. Last time I checked mana was always the issue, not hps.

facedesk. You don't seem to understand healers ;<

OT:
as for epics i guess you'll have to be lucky with drops or are really rich to be able to afford the epics that have spirit on them,
you could always reforge to spirit if you'd really need to but there are some nice trinkets out there with decent procs.

[gotpriest]

There is some strong misunderstanding of Haste in this thread.

Yes. Haste *will* help you run out of mana quicker. That's what spirit is for.

Haste also helps you when the Boss starts laying out the damage in severe amounts.

It lets you cast heals more often and get people from dangerous positions of death to reasonable health.
It adds a 5th tick to your Renew

Remember, in Cataclysm you are hardly meant to be spamming spells back to back the entire fight, if you are doing so, then yes, Haste will hurt you in the long run. Nowadays you are meant to selectively choose which heal is right for the correct situation, perhaps even pausing for a second or two. In these instances, Haste will still help, as it allows you to get in a quick heal and still throw out two or three hits from your wand before going back to healing, because every little portion of DPS helps.

[deevicoos]

This itemisation is a bit iffy, but there's also no legs with hit on. Speaking as a caster DPS, I'd say do what I do. Reforge and gem. It's a less than perfect solution but if you're reforging 210 if a stat, it'll grant a modest amount of spirit, throw in spirit gems and it'll do fine. Afterall intellect is still hugely powerful for healer if I'm not mistaken.

Blizzard have always had a few pieces of ambiguous loot, ones with neither hit nor spirit on, intended for both sorts of casters. Now we need more mana so specialised gear is much more attractive, whereas before you'd be okay with a couple of non regen pieces, but reforging is a treat and if you're forced to make do with 2 or 3 pieces, you'll be able to reforge to spirit so you only lose a little and the higher ilevel/mastery/int/crit mean your efficiency will also be increased so it could be worse.

I probably like reforging too much though.

[Danner]

I'm ticked off that there are TWO craftable tailoring epic legs, and none of them have spirit on them.
I'm ticked off that the expensive tailoring belt is best replaced with the hyjal one, a faction that you hit exatled with almost for free.
I'm ticked off that I didn't do my homework. I could've dropped the insane goldsink that is tailoring in favour of something profitable, and spent my days farming cloth on levelling archaeology instead. At least that profession has some good gear.

[zenkai]

hmm let me see
Mastery - consistent increase in HPM
Crit - Slight chance in HPM
Haste - no incrase in HPM but increase in HPS

I am not saying HPS isn't good put haste is the last thing I would stack, not the first, maybe disc it's viable to have some haste but def not holy. So many WOTLK healers are bad...

[leviedk]

Oh lawd. People in here are seriously starting to say that they would pick a spirit/crit piece over a spirit/haste piece? BRB, vomiting. Crit has always and will always be a horrible stat for healers, especially HPriests who have tools like Chakra: Serenity and Holy Word: Serenity that artificially boost their crit chance, reducing the net gain of additional crit.

As far as I'm concerned Haste will always be better than Crit due to reliability. Haste's only effect is to increase HPS, but it does so reliably, which is something I'd take 100 times out of 100 over a stat that has a chance to increase HPM and HPS, with no guarantee it'll happen when you need it. Haste has the ability to consistently get you through rough patches where you need to be chaincasting, whereas crit does not.

[Maxpowr]

I'm ticked off that there are TWO craftable tailoring epic legs, and none of them have spirit on them.
I'm ticked off that the expensive tailoring belt is best replaced with the hyjal one, a faction that you hit exatled with almost for free.
I'm ticked off that I didn't do my homework. I could've dropped the insane goldsink that is tailoring in favour of something profitable, and spent my days farming cloth on levelling archaeology instead. At least that profession has some good gear.

1. Yes it does suck and another Blizz fail.
2. See #1
3. Tailoring is not a goldsink. I've been selling the epic leg enchants for 1200g ea (sold 7 already). Tailors monopolize that market since dreamcloth is BoP. So if you want an epic leg enchant, you will need to hit up a 525 tailor and hope one of their dreamcloth CDs is up or they have some on them. Also lightweave is currently "bugged". The proc actually rewards intellect instead of SP alone, making it sexy for all casters.

As for the people saying haste is bad, you're wrong. We may not be spam bots like in LK but last I checked, casting spells faster was never a bad thing.

[zenkai]

Oh lawd. People in here are seriously starting to say that they would pick a spirit/crit piece over a spirit/haste piece? BRB, vomiting. Crit has always and will always be a horrible stat for healers, especially HPriests who have tools like Chakra: Serenity and Holy Word: Serenity that artificially boost their crit chance, reducing the net gain of additional crit.
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Forgive me, why? From what I have experienced in Cata raids there are no damage that cannot be outhealed without haste unless it's when people screw up and do something wrong, and if that happens healers are going to have mana issues anyway. Cata is design to be balanced around doing the encounter right and avoiding unnecessary damage, not throughput.

And forgive me not to really take the advice of a lvl 61 priest

[Ashvael]

hmm let me see
Mastery - consistent increase in HPM
Crit - Slight chance in HPM
Haste - no incrase in HPM but increase in HPS

I am not saying HPS isn't good put haste is the last thing I would stack, not the first, maybe disc it's viable to have some haste but def not holy. So many WOTLK healers are bad...

Amazing to see you call other healers bad while obviously knowing less about your class than you think you do.

As holy, one of your first priorities (basically the first priority after making sure you have spirit on every item) while gearing is to get to 12.5% haste to make sure your Renew gets a 5th tick. Can you see how a 5th tick is a HPM increase? After that, you stack mastery but still prefer haste over crit and not the other way around.
Also, did you maybe consider yet that with more haste you can keep someone up with more mana-efficient spells while without haste you'd have to use a more expensive heal?

[Nytsua]

In my honest opinion, you don't need Spirit/Haste of absolutely every item.
You can quite easily get a 5th renew tick, or at least a sufficient level of haste with a very minimal amount of pieces with haste on them.

And as far as Disc goes, Crit and Mastery are still great stats, as together they improve Divine Aegis quite nicely, and Crit alone will increase your HpM, which is very important at this stage of the game.

[zenkai]

Stack haste and hit renew on everyone in the raid to get that extra 4k tick on 150k health pools, let me know how that works out for ya

[Abandon]

The only thing haste is going to do is help you go OOM faster, if you need a faster cast time chances are someone is doing something wrong

Erm...no. Using two mana efficent heals which cast faster means not having to cast an expensive heal instead.

[MatsT]

This is the same for many classes. Caster druids also have one item (belt).

[zenkai]

In my honest opinion, you don't need Spirit/Haste of absolutely every item.
You can quite easily get a 5th renew tick, or at least a sufficient level of haste with a very minimal amount of pieces with haste on them.

Thank you, my point exactly, its not hard to get 12.5% haste raid buffed,

---------- Post added 2010-12-21 at 04:12 PM ----------

Erm...no. Using two mana efficent heals which cast faster means not having to cast an expensive heal instead.

*bangs head on desk* what I am saying is, if you're having to not cast mana efficient heals then usually either
A. It's a fight mechanic that will require a big AE heal and those are your best HPM spells whent hey don't do Over healing
B. you're raid is doing something wrong

Edit - P.S. This isnt wrath where you can stack 40% haste, you're not going to get enough haste in pre raid gear to make any significant difference in your casting anyway. I am not saying crit is a great stat to stack but neither is haste, this isn't wrath of the fail king.

[Abandon]

*bangs head on desk* what I am saying is, if you're having to not cast mana efficient heals then usually either
A. It's a fight mechanic that will require a big AE heal and those are your best HPM spells whent hey don't do Over healing
B. you're raid is doing something wrong

And in situations where there is going to be an AE heal needed, Haste allows you to cast faster. Haste would only be good for "nothing except running you OOM faster" if all of your heals cost the same amount, but that isn't true. There is also such thing as unavoidable damage on people other than the tank, and that situation would mean a faster heal on them means getting back to the tank healing faster.

[Misdeed]

The one thing everyone seems to forget is that haste allows you to cast Heal more often saving mana over Greater Heal in pinches.

[Nytsua]

And in situations where there is going to be an AE heal needed, Haste allows you to cast faster. Haste would only be good for "nothing except running you OOM faster" if all of your heals cost the same amount, but that isn't true.

Though I don't see a need to "Stack" Haste, I agree that Haste can be very useful. "Haste makes you go oom faster", only really applies when you're chain-casting spells. I haven't had experience in 10-mans, only 25, but in raids, I don't always have to cast spell after spell, there is downtime. Because of this, Haste is great because if you need to recover from damage quickly, you can.

Trying to not get involved in the "Which stat is best" debate, I'd just like to get back on topic, and reply to the intended issue of this thread with:
When you're looking for priest items, Spirit/Haste isn't the only combination that priests can use, other stats work well for us too! Expand your pallet!

[shaa]

This thread is mildly entertaining..

I do agree that with pre raid gear, we won't get anywhere near secondary stat #s to make much of a difference. Just take the pieces that you can get, reforge into what you think is best, and just wait until we really get into raiding to QQ.

[Rä]

Bare in mind I'm a holy priest main spec when i say this. There are 7 dps cloth specs that want different stats, 1 healer spec that likes spi haste and 1 healer spec that likes spi mastery. Blizzard can't cater to holy priests or the other 8 specs would QQ....kinda like you're doing now.

[Danner]

3. Tailoring is not a goldsink. I've been selling the epic leg enchants for 1200g ea (sold 7 already). Tailors monopolize that market since dreamcloth is BoP. So if you want an epic leg enchant, you will need to hit up a 525 tailor and hope one of their dreamcloth CDs is up or they have some on them. Also lightweave is currently "bugged". The proc actually rewards intellect instead of SP alone, making it sexy for all casters.

It is a goldsink until you get to that point. I have tried for a week to sell the blue leg enchants - they just don't sell, even at mat cost. Eventually I ended up dumping them for 100g / piece. They still didn't sell.

As for the people saying haste is bad, you're wrong. We may not be spam bots like in LK but last I checked, casting spells faster was never a bad thing.

Amen. My favourite argument for haste is that high haste allows you to substitute FHeal for GHeal, substitute Heal for Gheal in many places, and land that PoH before your whole party is dead. Haste is not a kill-all solution, but it's a great stat. Pair it up with equal amounts of mastery and as little crit as you can muster, and you have some kick-ass gear