The issue I had with The Angels Take Manhattan was that the entire point of season 6, where the Doctor dies and then cheats death, is that fixed points in time aren't truly fixed. But then we go to season 7 and the reason the Ponds cannot travel in the TARDIS anymore is that fixed points are fixed. Surely, from what we learned in season 6, the Doctor could just find a way back to Manhattan, replace the real Amy and Rory with robot doubles who pretend to live out a life and its the robots who wind up buried in that graveyard, and the Ponds are free to continue travelling with the Doctor.
I guess you have missed the part where the Doctor hates goodbyes even when he knows they are needed? Basically, he has been looking for a reason to let them live out there lives, Because Amy made the Choice to go to Rory he is free to move on to the next, this doesn't stop him from visiting again sometime in the past, but he won't be taking them for trips in the Tardis anymore. This is how the Doctor always does things.
Personally I can't wait for the Next.
That's an actual reason to explore how it effects the Ponds. I'd want to see how they live their lives with this decision. You've made them interesting again. Probably more interesting than they've ever been. This is a reason to keep them in the show, not just end it and move on to the next companion. So even if you are correct, its incredibly annoying to see them misuse the idea.
Their story is over.
They are done, they won't be back unless it's for a special one-off episode like Rose does occasionally, but it's unlikely she will return now that Tennant is gone.
They were both great, and I loved them, but why the hell would Doctor Who just change how it operates?
It's not about the companions, it's about the Doctor and his alien butt-kicking.
We stopped searching for monsters under our beds when we realized that they were inside us.
Tell me something, my friend. You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?
The way to make a great story is to create interesting characters and torture them for 300 pages. What is being suggested here is that Moffat waited until page 300 to get to the meat of the story where the torture begins. Now, I want more! I want to see how this affects everything! Its very interesting.
I want to see how this decision affects the Doctor, his relationship with Amy and Rory. I want to see how this affects Amy and Rory. Its true torture. A permanent decision, blasting a hole in their relationship. This is what truly great stories are made of. Its like Moffat didn't have the guts to write a gripping tale involving the Doctor and the Ponds until the very end.
---------- Post added 2012-12-07 at 05:12 PM ----------
Here's some ideas on where this could go:
Amy get PISSED because the Doctor LIED to her. The Doctor could have gone and picked her up in the past after all, but chose not to because its really best for himself. Meanwhile, Amy never gets to see her parents again. Rory never sees his dad again. Their parents never get to see their kids again. And why does all this happen?
Because the Doctor hates goodbyes.
That is a plotline that can run a long way, delving deep into the Doctor's soul. But no, let's just move on to the next companion instead? That sucks!
---------- Post added 2012-12-07 at 05:16 PM ----------
I would love to see Brian Pond have to rummage through the blue flat where Amy and Rory once lived, having to pack up all the cherised memories into cardboard boxes forever. He has to go through that painful experience. And then the TARDIS materializes, the Doctor pops out, and says "Oh! So sorry, I left them back in the past. I could go get them, but I hate goodbyes! So sorry you can't see your kids ever again."
I want to see the Doctor look Brian Pond in the eye and say that.
Last edited by Grummgug; 2012-12-08 at 01:17 AM.
I firmly believe (and this stands so long as they do not write amy and rory back in the series at any point) that the events that occurred, between trying to resolve a paradox, and the doctor needing to invade several points in time to reach rory the first time around. That perhaps the locations arent compromised, but amy and rory themselves are. Crossing your own time stream is messy, but now its across multiple realities. On top of that the Doctor stands at the mercy of the TARDIS. As it is so eloquently put in the doctor's wife:
The Doctor: You didn't always take me where I wanted to go.
Idris: No, but I always took you where you needed to go.
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS READ AT YOUR OWN RISK @_@
ok so apparently someone was spotted on set doubling for Patrick Troughton @_@ because apparently the series 7 finale leads right into the 50th anniversary specials so this could either be horrible or it might be AMAZING @_@
---------- Post added 2012-12-08 at 02:40 AM ----------
also amy and rorys adopted son already told brian that they would never see him again
I didn't want to make a new thread for this, but could anyone give me a quick answer to a question? I've been wanting to watch Doctor Who but just wondering if i need to watch it from day 1 to understand it or can i just jump in when a new doctor starts?
---------- Post added 2012-12-09 at 06:04 AM ----------
This really starts the Mat Smith story line:
These episodes I would say you should see before starting Mat Smith.
I was intending to start with David Tenant and go from there, but didnt think he was the first doctor
I very much advise against starting on Smith.
That's only 78 episodes total.
Start with Eccleston, I say. His style eases you into the fantastic madness that is Doctor Who, and I genuinely believe Tennant is made better by being your second Doctor.
'sides, Eccleston has my favourite quote, and it's in the very first episode^^
the doctor cares about every companion deeply they are all he ever remembers but the doctor is the type of person who tries to push all their sadness away hoping that if they try to ignore it it will go away. the doctor hates himself because he blames himself for everything that happens to his companions he hates to see them age or change because hes selfish and hates goodbyes.
thats the main reason the doctors always saving people and planets and things sure he does have a good soul and he does want to help them just to help them but theres a huge part of him that does it because he thinks maybe if he saves these people it might in some way atone for what he feels hes responsible for.
the companions, the master, the time war. in the doctors head there all his fault and everyday he wracks his mind about how he could somehow fix or atone for them.
---------- Post added 2012-12-10 at 07:45 AM ----------
am i the only one who thinks this song was written about the tardis O_O
Amazingly hilarious episode, looking forward to the next one.
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