Thread: [TV] Doctor Who

  1. #1981
    Well still,

    Thank you both another watch for when eurovision is over

  2. #1982
    AHHHHHHH what a fantastic episode !!

    Clara's story was wrapped up neatly. She has redeemed herself from being a useless companion. River Song's role was handled much better than I ever envisioned. She's still locked in the Library's database but able to have an impact in the real world; now she can be used sparingly in the future with no need to explain long absences. I totally freaked out when G.I. mentioned the Valeyard as one of The Doctor's future names (HE'S STILL COMING, YES!).

    John Hurt's surprise appearance was on point. I thought at first this shadowy version of The Doctor was going to be his original self, going back to the theory about him being "The Other" but alas it was not meant to be (yet). So it looks like John Hurt is portraying the version of The Doctor during the Last Great Time War... the one who makes the decision to wipe out the Time Lords. EPIC! The conversation was a bit confusing but it seems like John Hurt's character used his real name (that is, The Doctor's real name) during that regeneration; this must also have been a Doctor born in battle but probably right in the middle of all the chaos so he was much more evil. Eccleston's Doctor probably came about during the last fight of the Time War, then, I imagine. Anyway it seemed awfully strange to introduce John Hurt in the conversation between he and Smith as "NOT The Doctor" and then immediately put in big letter's "John Hurt is The Doctor" because that completely disregards Smith's comment that Hurt is not represented as holding the name The Doctor.


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  3. #1983
    Okay just read valeyard on wiki

    I thought it was just a random name the guy was on about, did not realize the actual significance

  4. #1984
    This episode... well I just want to say. Moffat, I love your attempting at writing a long story. While individual episodes have been a little lackluster, looking over it, the main story has been EPIC.

    Why does the movie have to be so long away?

    Anyway, I can't wait to see what this 9th Doctor did, also I can't wait to see why he stopped acting as the doctor as 9 but became the doctor for 10.
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  5. #1985
    I guess the 9th is the same if the 4th had gone through with genocide of the Daleks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinni View Post

    Spoiler in white there, don't know how to make it surrounded by black just yet.
    [ spoiler] and [ /spoiler]

    just don't put in the space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    [ spoiler] and [ /spoiler]

    just don't put in the space.
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  8. #1988
    MOVIE!?

    Also

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeyard

    Helps to clear up the 9th doctor / reincarnation

  9. #1989
    It was good, I am pleasantly surprised to be writing that.

    The short and somewhat rushed nature of it all wasn't too abrasive, I was only really confused when it jumped from the doctor on some steps to the doctor at the entrance of the tardis-tomb and I wondered if it was the same doctor or time-overlap one since he'd stated there would be time-y weirdness I think I over expected it. Then the ending felt somewhat rushed and confusing as others here have discussed.

    Excited, albeit slightly confused, to see John Hurt as the "new" "not-doctor" doctor, hopefully we can get some nice dark episodes in a new season.
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  10. #1990
    Its quite clear the doctor played by John Hurt is the doctor from the timewar from what he said and how Matt smith knew who he was.

  11. #1991
    Spoilers Sweetie


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    Okay gonna put this in spoiler mode but got to ask a few questions to those that paid better attention then I did it seems.

    So from watching the episode Eccleston is the 9th doctor but the 10th regeneration?
    Is the below list accurate from what we learned tonight and from pervious seasons?

    First Doctor William Hartnell
    Second Doctor Patrick Troughton
    Third Doctor Jon Pertwee
    Fourth Doctor Tom Baker
    Fifth Doctor Peter Davison
    Sixth Doctor Colin Baker
    Seventh Doctor Sylvester McCoy
    Eighth Doctor Paul McGann (movie doctor is this story canon now?)
    Time War John Hurt
    Ninth Doctor Christopher Eccleston
    Tenth Doctor David Tennant
    Eleventh Doctor Matt Smith
    Twelfth Doctor ?
    Valeyard Michael Jayston (+ new actor if the bring this back at some point
    Thirteenth Doctor ?

  13. #1993
    Clara was kind of anti climactic. Disappointed in Strax, too. Ugh. River. FEELS.

    I think Hurt will be the Doctor that could have been, or something like that.

  14. #1994
    Quote Originally Posted by Althalus View Post
    Okay gonna put this in spoiler mode but got to ask a few questions to those that paid better attention then I did it seems.

    So from watching the episode Eccleston is the 9th doctor but the 10th regeneration?
    Is the below list accurate from what we learned tonight and from pervious seasons?

    First Doctor William Hartnell
    Second Doctor Patrick Troughton
    Third Doctor Jon Pertwee
    Fourth Doctor Tom Baker
    Fifth Doctor Peter Davison
    Sixth Doctor Colin Baker
    Seventh Doctor Sylvester McCoy
    Eighth Doctor Paul McGann (movie doctor is this story canon now?)
    Time War John Hurt
    Ninth Doctor Christopher Eccleston
    Tenth Doctor David Tennant
    Eleventh Doctor Matt Smith
    Twelfth Doctor ?
    Valeyard Michael Jayston (+ new actor if the bring this back at some point
    Thirteenth Doctor ?
    Pretty much that yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zenyatta
    I think Hurt will be the Doctor that could have been, or something like that.
    Fist of all, spoilers.
    Secondly, John Hurt plays the "Time War" Doctor. The one who time locked the war, thus killing the Time Lords & Daleks. This Time War Doctor didn't do the horrible stuff as "The Doctor" during the war, but as the still mysterious REAL name of the Doctor. Hence why Doc #11 says he is not The Doctor, he is the one who broke the promise (using his real name). That way Eccleston who played Doc #9 is still Doc #9, but his 10th incarnation.

  15. #1995
    At present, The Doctor has regenerated a total of twelve times.

    Incarnations:
    1-8 Old Who Doctors
    9 John Hurt
    10 Eccleston
    11-12 Both are David Tennant
    13 Matt Smith

    Which means that Matt Smith would be his final incarnation and the "Thirteenth Doctor" if The Doctor were to actually count John Hurt and also Tennant's first regeneration. The TARDIS which made The Doctor's tomb looks like his current in-series TARDIS control room, with the blue interior; this either means he finally dies with this specific control room (and potentially as Matt Smith) or more likely the TARDIS chose this room so it would make sense to Matt Smith when he entered his tomb (seeing as the TARDIS already knows all of time and space she would have known he was coming to Trenzalore during this timeframe). I think it's a safe assumption that The Doctor is going to find a way to collect more regenerations... and in his quest to do so (hello, season 8 arc) he might form the Valeyard potentially by accident. I do think he will eventually achieve more regenerations but at some great cost (ie: becoming / releasing the Valeyard). Could make for a sweet next season.
    Last edited by Deuse; 2013-05-18 at 09:48 PM.

  16. #1996
    Quote Originally Posted by Deuse View Post
    At present, The Doctor has regenerated a total of twelve times.

    Incarnations:
    1-8 Old Who Doctors
    9 John Hurt
    10 Eccleston
    11-12 Both are David Tennant
    13 Matt Smith

    Which means that Matt Smith would be his final incarnation and the "Thirteenth Doctor" if The Doctor were to actually count John Hurt and also Tennant's first regeneration. The TARDIS which made The Doctor's tomb looks like his current in-series TARDIS control room, with the blue interior; this either means he finally dies with this specific control room (and potentially as Matt Smith) or more likely the TARDIS chose this room so it would make sense to Matt Smith when he entered his tomb (seeing as the TARDIS already knows all of time and space she would have known he was coming to Trenzalore during this timeframe). I think it's a safe assumption that The Doctor is going to find a way to collect more regenerations... and in his quest to do so (hello, season 8 arc) he might form the Valeyard potentially by accident. I do think he will eventually achieve more regenerations but at some great cost (ie: becoming / releasing the Valeyard). Could make for a sweet next season.
    Moffat will probably retcon David using a regeneration to "stay" himself with leftover energy becoming Doc #10 clone, since Moffat HATED that part of the RTD era.
    Wouldn't be the first time stuff would get retconned on Doctor Who (Like the Eye of Eternity which was on Gallifrey only suddenly being in the Tardis since Doc #8 in the movie)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuse View Post

    11-12 Both are David Tennant
    Wasn't there an interview that said the hand thing and the Dalek shot didn't count as a regeneration and that Smith is the 11th Doctor (12th when counting John Hurt)? Or did I invent that?

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    Awesome freakin episode, quite glad we didn't find out the doctors real name, or at least, we haven't YET .

    I quite like the way the explained Clara, it's all a bit wibbly wobbly timey wimey... but what were you expecting?

    As always Vastra, Jenny and Strax were excellent, hurry up and give them a spinoff already.

    River... Right in the feels man... RIGHT in them...

    and dat ending... a huge dose of both WTF so confusing and OMG so cool can't WAIT for the 50th anniversary now
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    Is riversong dead for good now? as he said she was just an echo ((

    Also i'm soooooo glad they had riversong after the library it's been eating away at me since season 4 lol :P

    apart from clara being resolved , none of my other questions were answered...the silence in the bathroom saying "tell the doctor" was very similar to the whispermen saying it though 0o

    still don't know who the silence will fall voice was in the tardis

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