Random Pug Heroics, are you having fun?

[armpit]

I don't know, since I don't do random pugs.

[Protqt]

I am playing as a healer on russian realm and I am having fun, since I dont need to wait and the people are friendly in here.
Also since everyone are speaking the same language, it is easy to organise even the not-so-intelligent players.

Russians being friendly, you trollin' bro

[Youhl]

This game need more tanks. Make enhancement shamans able to tank!

[Zarthadan]

I have puged a herioc every day since I have been of sufficient gear level.
I have had mixed groups but on the whole they have been more than fine.
Just man up and get on with it.

[Vutar]

I have the feeling that the GUILD system was put in place to help with this....if you dislike guilds, then this becomes your problem, because it seems to mean you like the 45 minute queues more.

Hmm interesting. I am in a guild, in fact a raid guild. Let me go log on quick and get that instant heroic group that just being in a Guild gets me.

I am logged in but this heroic group doesn't seem to be happening, surely the "guild" feature must not be working correctly as it is the cure for all heroic ill's as stated numerous times. Maybe I should put a ticket in that my "guild" feature is not working correctly.

Wait, I'm just in the wrong guild maybe?

Clearly if I was just in the right guild THEN all the problems would be solved. Yet what is this "magical guild" where you have great heroic groups at a whim? Perhaps if I leave my current guild then surely there will be one of these "magical guilds" that is constantly doing heroics ready to let me join.

[Rincewind the Wizard]

I didn't look over all my posts but nowhere in the quote of this post do i see where I call people bad at the game losers. I'm not gonna say people who are just outright bad at the game don't drag some aspects of it down sometimes but I'm far less judgmental on people who are bad at an mmorpg then people who take the game far too far just because they deem a useless game important enough to put such effort and time forth. Playing a game for fun even if your bad is fine but playing a game to push the envelope, develop so fast then have an undeserved sense of self worth especially when they then look down at people who don't do all that crap is what i consider a loser.

While i can see it looking similar that me calling overachievers pathetic and overachievers calling people who arn't overachievers pathetic, it boils down to it's a game where unless you are somehow earning a living off being good at this game then nothing of it transfers over to real life and it is dumb when people think they are something special for doing something optional and useless especially when they think its something to hold over people in real life.

Basically overachieveing in wow is just as useless as arguing and trying to make a point over the internet so to avoid falling into the trap of becoming something I hate, I'll have to leave this dick wagging contest and leave this to the overachievers who will continue to think their progression is important. Possibly I'll go and just play the game casually for fun, whether or not it pisses off hardcore losers i'll have to go on without knowing.

So, you are saying everyone who puts a little bit of effort into a game are pathetic? In my opinion, feeling the need to rage on a wow-forum, and essentially saying: "People are getting things I'm not! These people must be hardcore basement geeks!" is pathetic. People are different you know (really!), and some people, including myself, like to achieve things to feel we're actually doing something with our time in the game. Some people like to get these things done fast, and if that's the case, sure. They can play the game the way they think is FUN. That's the keyword. FUN. You think casually playing games is fun. Some people think getting achievements done really fast is fun.

Don't, however, judge people to be pathetic based on the date on an achievement. Back in Wrath I got some achievements done really fast, and that didn't stop me from having a life outside wow. Don't generalise or judge beforehand, it just makes you look like a fool.


OT: I have only PuGed people a few times, always with a few people from my guild. It's gone pretty well... we've been able to carry most (I hate using the word "bad", but that's the only way to describe them) people through the dungeons, finishing them with ease. No real jerks so far though, hope the luck lasts!

[Rainwhisper]

Well, I at least channeled my frustration with PUG's into something productive. It prompted me to write two guides, one of which I entered in the contest and the other of which can be found here.

[cdmcg]

The biggest problem I have with heroics is that people are being total asses when it comes to looting. Needing on stuff they dont need etc. Had a shaman the other day who needed on a +armor trinket, won and left the group.
Guess it is because you play with people from other server they you most likely never see again.. the internet anonyminity. Sigh!

This is why I wish there was an option to just use LFG and it only pull people from your realm. If I cant get a full guild run I would rather get what I can from them and fill out with people on my server. I have had multiple people take tanking items over me and drop group the second they win it. Even though I dont know anyone in any pug I still treat them with respect, I guess thats pry my first big mistake.....

[moros]

I've been healing lots of randoms on my priest over the past few days, and there have been some really bad groups and some really good ones. if you have any doubt about anyones role/knowledge you should speak up. Too many people idly sit by and wait to be told what to do. If your runs are going bad, step up and give some friendly direction, share the tips you've learned over the past few weeks. Like jumping to avoid quake in stonecore etc etc. the less you help, the longer it will take for people to catch on to the subtleties of the new encounters.

people needing on offspec and things they cant use....I believe you can toss them on ignore and you wont be grouped with them again, not sure if thats accurate or not though tbh.

[microtonal]

Hmm interesting. I am in a guild, in fact a raid guild. Let me go log on quick and get that instant heroic group that just being in a Guild gets me.

I am logged in but this heroic group doesn't seem to be happening, surely the "guild" feature must not be working correctly as it is the cure for all heroic ill's as stated numerous times. Maybe I should put a ticket in that my "guild" feature is not working correctly.

Wait, I'm just in the wrong guild maybe?

Clearly if I was just in the right guild THEN all the problems would be solved. Yet what is this "magical guild" where you have great heroic groups at a whim? Perhaps if I leave my current guild then surely there will be one of these "magical guilds" that is constantly doing heroics ready to let me join.

You do know that guild heroic groups don't just magically form themselves without any effort or organization by a real human being, right? Have you tried communicating with your guild about your desire to complete heroic dungeons, maybe even to the point of scheduling a regular time for such activities? If your guild can't or won't do heroics on a regular basis, then it isn't a raiding guild. Three hours of wiping on trash because no one knows where their CC buttons are doesn't count. If they are running heroics but don't invite you (or better, don't even tell you about it), then you might be the token scrub and/or the token jerk/idiot that nobody likes to group with. Or to bluntly answer the question you probably think is rhetorical but is actually pretty important, maybe you aren't in the right guild.

If your problem is that you can't complete a heroic LFG pug, then your only viable solution is to stop using random LFG for your dungeon running and put some effort into building a group yourself (you do know you can still use the random dungeon finder even with pre-made groups, right?). There's nothing Blizzard can do to LFG that can make people better players.

[Cotterize]

Not having fun at all with Heroic PUGs. People just do not want to take the time to listen or look up the fights and it sucks. i'll stick through it for a little longer though. maybe the retards will be weeded out and the game will be better off.

[De Lupe]

I'm sure not. I have now had 4 straight ques of over 45 minutes only to get in and the group not get past the first pull. First one was grim batol and the tank left upon zoning in, then everyone else did. Next three the tank charged into the first group with no cc and was destroyed, and the group fell apart.

Is this supposed to be fun? That is over three hours completely wasted for no rep gains, justice points, nor loot. Maybe some people consider zero progress fun, I am not one of them.


Something needs to be fixed with this system.

I have yet to be in a bad pug group. Had some paeople who couldn't handle some parts of the Heroics, and they left (or were removed), but other than the occational bad player, I've never not finished one.


On a side note: The system is fine, might I suggest that the players stop bitching about the difficuly and GET BETTER AT THE GAME!

[cakewalk]

maybe the retards will be weeded out and the game will be better off.

No, they'll just outgear the instances and do WotLK pulls again.

[ishootblanks]

Perhaps you should all remember that heroic 5 mans is the current "tier"

don't worry though.. in 6 months when people have actually started getting some gear and becoming more comfortable with the encounter mechanics.. it will be easy again..

another thing people need to remember.. just because you have the magical "ilvl 329" doesn't mean you are actually ready for heroics!

but ultimately.. heroic dungeons are heroic again! l2pnub!

[CaptainArlong]

The biggest problem i find is with tanks in Pugs these days. Either they are terrible and people are too afraid to drop them because they don't want to have to wait an insane amount of time just for the chance of another bad tank or the tank is just decent but they are stuck up and think they can need roll on anything they want and drop if someone complains.

Cataclysm tanks are terrible. Literally I think I've counted 8 times where a tank comes in and either right away states that they are need rolling offspec or waits to try and ninja offspec dps gear from people. I'm not even a melee dps class but I know when a certain role has too much power in the game and when people are being assholes like this and shamelessly taking advantage of the system. Tanks get instant ques then they think they are entitled to everything while dps has to wait 30 minutes plus for the possibility of some self-righteous asshole to try and steal all the loot.

So in short Cataclysm Pugs are not fun usually because of tanks.

This is something I never understood. The tanks think they're untouchable, that if they leave a group, the group needs to wait another 40 minutes to replace them. That's not true at all. If a dungeon is in progress, it get priority over random dungeons, so when a tank leaves, another tank is instantly found. I saw that a lot in WoTLK, a self-righteous tank saying "have a nice wait" and dropping, only to be instantly replaced.

The reason DPS has such a long wait is because there is TONS of DPS queued up trying to get into a group. So what we have is a Heroic with 3 waiting lines. There's not a lot of tanks and healers, so when they want to go to that Heroic, it's automatic, they have no wait at all, they're constantly walking in and walking out. They've got the Fast Pass!! DPS on the other hand has a massive line-up of people wanting to go in, so they need to wait.

So... When you're in that Heroic and the tank throws a fit, saying if he leaves, it's another 40 minute wait, it's not. That tank storms out, only to be replaced right away by another tank who just walked up to the Heroic door. The DPS is already in the Heroic, they're on the ride, so they don't have to wait.

[Simca]

This thread has reached its breaking point. Too many pointless reports of people getting offended over the tiniest things.

When that happens, and their reports don't get answered, they usually devolve into flaming, so I'm stopping this before it starts.

Locked.