I shall die here. Every inch of me shall perish. Every inch, but one. An inch. It is small and it is fragile and it is the only thing in the world worth having. We must never lose it or give it away. We must never let them take it from us.
Although you are wrong about the stationary proc chance, it is 4% per talent point, so 12% if you have the three talent points in it like almost every Shadow Priest would do, and it goes up to 60% while moving. It doesn't increase it by 60% while moving, which would be a total of 72%, it increases it to 60%, which is what I said in my last post, which you tried to "correct".
Last edited by Abandon; 2011-01-26 at 04:20 PM.
I can provide the hard statistics behind the increased amount of Shadowy Apparition procs if you like.
However, since we're not all perfect players (we're not computers), the 4 piece will provide a bigger bonus than simulation craft will model for. Interestingly enough, the 4 piece actually provides those who move around more (an overall DPS loss) a bigger gain than those who generally play "better".
That's just my reasoning, i doubt it makes a huge difference either way of having it or not having it, and I might change my mind when I see the final and new value of mastery
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I have posted the results in a couple threads, but I may as well run a new simulation so we have some more current results. These are using the PTR settings with a new Mastery over Crit BIS gear profile. I'll have more to say on Mastery versus Crit soon, but for now I'm just going to use what simulation craft provides:
Priest_Shadow_T11_372 4 Piece Enabled : 27149dps
Priest_Shadow_T11_372 4 Piece Disabled: 26916dps
Difference: 233 DPS
Priest_Shadow_T11_372 : 23559dps 4 Piece Enabled : 25534dps
Priest_Shadow_T11_372 : 23224dps 4 Piece Disabled: 25171dps
Difference: 363 DPS
The results for the Shadowy Apparitions procs are below:
Code:DPS DPS% Count Interval DPE Hit Crit Max Crit% Patchwerk: shadowy_apparition 372 4 Piece Enabled 980 3.6% 27.5 15.57sec 15600 12307 25931 33306 28.6% shadowy_apparition 372 4 Piece Disabled 753 2.8% 27.5 15.52sec 11974 9462 19930 25620 28.3% Helter Skelter: shadowy_apparition 372 4 Piece Enabled 426 6.1% 39.6 10.95sec 15756 12336 25980 33306 28.7% shadowy_apparition 372 4 Piece Disabled 1093 4.7% 39.5 10.99sec 12093 9491 19965 25620 28.4%
The DPS gain between the two cases is between 233-363 DPS. This equates out to ~70-110 Intellect worth of DPS.
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Last edited by New; 2011-03-02 at 12:20 AM.
And 251 dps (even if it does go up some) is something I can live without for now.
Going through my own logs (I can only use a couple fights as most have 2 Spriests in them, thus, ruining the analysis of Shadowy Apparitions):
Atramedes: Shadowy Apparitions did 1442 DPS. 333 DPS of this was from the Tier set bonus.
Heroic Chimaeron: Shadow Apparitions did 1179 DPS. 273 DPS of this was from Tier set bonus.
This makes the 4 set (in this case) worth ~94-114 Intellect.
I can understand passing for other people who may need the gear (healers/tanks) and that is very noble of you. If this is the reason for passing tier pieces, then your guild should pat you on the back.
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So, before, your stat weights were showing Brackish Gloves ( http://www.wowhead.com/item=59313 ) as BiS for us shadow priests.
Now it's changed to Hands of the Twilight Council ( http://www.wowhead.com/item=59498 ) which are crit haste.
But, the Brackish Gloves have a shit ton of haste on them. Since mastery is just getting changed around, why is this?
What it comes down to though, I think, is that those stats are weighted from T11 gear, I'll let ya'll inspect my gear, and tell me what I'm doing right, or doing wrong!
The question is this though. Keep my killshades the way they are (going to replace the meta once 4.0.6 hits) which is mastery/haste, or switch to haste/spirit.
Use Brackish Gloves or Flamebloom Gloves?
waiting on what you pro's say, then i'll start tinkering too!
I'm going to assume you're looking at the wowhead link with the stat weights put in. This is provided as a quick reference for a general ranking of gear using the gear stat weights based off a specific profile. A more accurate list can be created by running a simulation craft using your own profile and inputting your current stat weights.
The reason you see the Hands of the Twilight Council coming out on top (in this list) is because the gain of the difference between Crit over Spirit is slightly higher than the loss of 20 Haste between them. However, If you look at the difference between the two values, the difference is very small.
If you're considering using two offset pieces, I assume this means you don't expect to be getting the tier helm or tier shoulders to complete a 4-set bonus. I would try to get the 4-set when you can, but if you're gearing for the short term, then I can try to provide some advice for your current situation.
Also, you appear to be in the group of people who raid under the hit cap so your mind set on how you model your gear is different from mine, so my advice may not be entirely apt. If you're looking forward to 4.0.6, I would keep the killshades with 208 Haste and 208 Mastery, keep the Brackish gloves, then reforge the various Crit you have on your gear for Spirit until you reach the hit cap.
Eventually the head piece will be the offset if we're all fortunate enough to kill Sinestraza. In the mean time, it's probably going to be better to go with a Tier helm + Brackish gloves combination. The 359 tier helm should be fairly easy to attain, and heroic Brackish gloves are from one of the easier hard-mode bosses.
Are shadowy apparitions getting buffed in 4.06? I believe that the damage they do is tied to Mind Blast.
Shadowy Apparitions used to be based on your Mind Blast damage. However, they have their own damage now so they will not be increasing as part of 4.0.6.
Which meta will be the first choice after 4.0.6 is release? will it still be http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/52291/c...pirit-diamond/ or will we change to http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/68780/b...pirit-diamond/ ?
Which addons are people using to track dots on multiple targets?
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/68780/b...pirit-diamond/ by far
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