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    Upcoming Class Changes, December 27 Hotfixes

    Upcoming Class Changes
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
    We have a lot of players at 85 now doing everything from Heroic dungeons to rated Battlegrounds, and the class design team is starting to prepare our list of items to investigate for our next patch.

    Before you dive down into the meat below (not really a pleasant image, that), be advised that we’re still early in the preliminary stages. The patch isn’t coming out tomorrow. I wrote this before the end of the year and other things may have cropped up in the meantime. Just because your class or pet problem isn’t mentioned below doesn’t mean we won’t address it.

    PvE
    We’re happy with damage overall. We have very few traditional tank and spank fights (even Argaloth likes to parry melee) so it’s hard to get consistent numbers without very large data sets. Still, we see Survival hunters and Unholy DKs on top of a lot of single target fights. Arcane, Marksman, and Beastmaster damage is too low. Retribution, Shadow, and Fire and Frost mage damage might be too low, but we’re still watching them. We aren’t seeing a lot of Subtlety rogues in PvE yet, so that sample size is still small. On fights where there is a lot of area damage, Demonology warlocks, Frost DKs and possibly Survival hunters are all too high. Shadow priest AE, mostly due to a weak Mind Sear, feels too low.

    Healing in PvE is working out pretty much as intended. There are some Heroic dungeon bosses that are probably tougher than the required item level average permits. In general, you might have a tough time upon zoning into a Heroic dungeon with a bunch of strangers as soon as Dungeon Finder permits, especially if your group isn’t willing to communicate and work together. We want Heroics to be challenging -- if you want to zerg the content, stick to normal dungeons.

    Tank balance overall seems good at this point in time. Threat seems to be in a good place -- good tanks don’t have much of a problem, but they can’t “phone it in” either. We’re seeing all four tanks get a lot of use, even on Heroic raid fights. That could change as more guilds are able to make serious heroic attempts.

    PvP
    The larger health pools, decreased impact of Mortal Strike debuffs, and slower healing are all having the desired effect in PvP. Burst damage has its place, but doesn’t determine the outcome of every encounter. There are several individual abilities that we aren’t happy with in PvP.

    We’re keeping a close eye on dispels. We still like the design of making dispels more of a commitment rather than liberally sprinkling around dispel resistance or consequences for every class. Defensive dispels (removing a debuff) generally feel good, but we think offensive dispels (removing an enemy buff) feel too powerful, especially for DPS specs. In particular, Purge and Spellsteal will probably get nerfed.

    We’re also looking at crowd control, interrupts, and self-healing in PvP. It’s possible we’ll reduce the durations of some crowd control effects, especially the area effect ones, and decrease the duration of interrupts.

    Priests are a little weak in PvP, especially at mobile healing. We have made some changes to glyphs and talents to enhance their survivability and instant healing.

    We also want to make sure the epic PvP gear isn’t too easy for just anyone to obtain, given that the PvE endgame content is more challenging than it was in Lich King. We don’t want the player base to just migrate to the most efficient epic delivery mechanism; we want you to participate in what you find most enjoyable.

    Stats
    We’ll make a pass to make stats that aren’t attractive (but are supposed to be) more attractive. For example, we don’t want Assassination rogues to dismiss crit or Feral tanks to dismiss haste. We are considering making some physical attacks such as Lacerate, Steady Shot, and Slam scale with haste.

    Mastery is a new stat for us, and there are a few specs that don’t value it enough. In some cases (e.g. Combat rogues), the design for mastery is fine and we just need to buff the effects to make it more desirable. In others, we don’t think it’s possible to buff mastery enough in its current form. For example, the Retribution mastery, Hand of Light, is fun, but it doesn’t contribute enough damage. To make it contribute enough damage, the proc would need a very high chance, which then can cause paladins to devalue other sources of Holy Power. Instead, we are redesigning Retribution mastery to add a percentage of the damage of Templar’s Verdict, Crusader Strike, and Divine Storm as Holy damage (which also plays better with Inqusition). Because Hand of Light is fun, however, we are going to change Divine Purpose as a chance to proc Hand of Light instead of a chance for extra Holy Power (which will also remove a little of the randomness from the rotation). Unholy DKs are another spec for whom mastery just isn’t working out. Our current intent is to redesign their mastery so that their attacks cause more damage to diseased targets (in a similar manner to the Restoration druid mastery).

    Potpourri
    Some additional class-specific tweaks (keeping in mind this is not the full list):

    General
    • We’re making some additional buffs, such as Pain Suppression and Barkskin, undispellable.
    • We think we overnerfed Every Man for Himself, and are reverting it back to a 2-minute cooldown again. We might evaluate other racials after we’ve seen more PvP.

    Death Knight (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
    • We want to make sure Unholy DKs prefer two-handed weapons.
    • Necrotic Strike needs to be affected by resilience.
    • For Cataclysm, we changed Death Strike almost completely into an ability for Blood DK tanks, which is a bit unfortunate. We want to make sure it is still a useful button for Frost or Unholy DKs who need healing.
    • We also want to address DK mobility in PvP.

    Druid (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
    • Even after we fixed their mastery, Feral druid bleeds still do a lot of damage and are undispellable. We plan to shift some of that damage back to main attacks. They are also a little too hard to control. Given that they are already hard to root, snare, or polymorph, we think the fear immunity from Berserk is too much.
    • We’re buffing Wild Mushroom. It’s a cool spell that isn’t getting enough play.
    • Empowered Touch will now benefit from Regrowth as well. We’re also buffing the Glyph of Regrowth.
    • We are looking at Holy Concentration (after our most recent buff) and Omen of Clarity to make sure they don’t account for too much mana savings.

    Hunter (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
    • As part of the Marks and Beastmaster buffs, we’re buffing Aimed Shot, Kill Shot, Chimera Shot, and Kill Command.

    Mage (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
    • To reduce mage control, we are discussing reducing the duration of Frost Nova and Ring of Frost.

    Paladin (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
    • Censure will no longer break Repentance.

    Priest (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
    • For Holy priests, we’re increasing Chakra’s duration and changing Surge of Light so it can now from Flash Heal and Greater Heal and can crit.

    Rogue (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
    • We want to make it clear that Combat is intended to use fast off-hand weapons. We also want to polish Revealing Strike a bit.

    Shaman (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
    • We want to make sure Enhancement shaman avoid caster weapons.

    Warlock (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
    • We are probably going to remove Drain Mana from warlocks. It is incredibly situational in PvE but causes problems in PvP. This might mean we need to evaluate Mana Burn as well.
    • Inferno will no longer increase the radius of Hellfire.
    • Shadow and Flame can now proc from Incinerate in addition to Shadow Bolt.
    • We want to redesign Improved Soulfire.

    Warrior (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
    • Arms warrior burst damage might still be too high in PvP, while we don’t have a great way to adjust their sustained damage for PvE. The Lambs to the Slaughter talent is a good place to address this. We also might nerf warrior stuns.
    • We think Arms and Fury warriors are getting too much damage out of Heroic Strike. We want it to be clear that it’s a rage dump and not make it the hardest hitting ability.

    “GC, is this the final list of changes? Does this mean I can expect no changes for my class? Does this mean you don’t care about me?”

    No. This is some stuff we are looking at so that you’ll have some context if you see changes on a future PTR. The final list of class patch notes for the next patch will doubtless be much longer.

    - Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is the lead systems designer for World of Warcraft. He uses words like “potpourri.”

    Cataclysm Hotfixes - Updated Dec. 27
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
    Here you will find a list of hotfixes that address various issues related to the release of patch 4.0.3a and World of Warcraft: Cataclysm. While many have already been deployed on all realms, some may not be implemented until the next time your realm is restarted. We will continue to update this thread in the days ahead as additional hotfixes are applied.

    December 22 - 27

    General
    • Graveyard Rats are no longer considered critters and do not give credit toward the Critter Kill Squad guild achievement.
    • Weekly guild reputation caps should now properly reset at the scheduled time. An error which prevented this reset from taking place if guild experience was earned at exactly 3:00 AM server time immediately prior to weekly maintenance has been corrected.
    • The achievement Saving for a Rainy Day has the same requirements as its predecessor Time to Open a Savings Account. For this reason Saving for a Rainy Day has been temporarily disabled (it will still show in the user interface), as it requires a fix via a client-side patch.

    Druid (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
    • The heal from Frenzied Regeneration was too powerful and has been reduced by 50%.
    • Pounce now correctly shares diminishing returns with other stun effects.

    Rogue (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
    • Cheap Shot now correctly shares diminishing returns with other stun effects.

    Warlock (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
    • The Felguard ability Axe Toss now properly shares diminishing returns with other stun effects.

    Dungeons & Raids
    Blackwing Descent
    • Sweltering Armor is now properly applied to Magmaw's Mangle target once the debuff has faded, regardless of whether Magmaw was successfully impaled or not.

    Gnomeregan
    • Mekgineer Thermaplugg no longer sometimes awards dungeon completion prematurely.

    Throne of the Four Winds
    • It is no longer possible to disarm Al'Akir.

    Items
    • The Inner Eye proc from Heroic and normal versions of Jar of Ancient Remedies was not activating with some priest healing effects. This has been corrected.
    • The Signet of High Arcanist Savor and Gilnean Ring of Ruination now have proper stats.

    Professions
    Archaeology
    • Vashj'ir dig sites no longer unlock for players. They felt too punishing without additional benefits compared to low-level sites, and were much more difficult to obtain artifacts in due to the way Vashj'ir navigation works.

    Cooking
    • Stormwind Lobster Traps now respawn more quickly and can be gathered across all Stormwind quest phases.

    Inscription
    • The following reagents no longer have limits and are now available from Una Kobuna and Casandra Downs in unlimited quantities: Deathwing Scale Fragment, Scavenged Dragon Horn, Bleached Jawbone, Silver Charm Bracelet, and Preserved Ogre Eye.

    PvP
    Arenas
    • Arena ratings are appropriately tabulating for wins and losses. More information on this issue can be found on our forums.
    • Negative amounts of Conquest Points can no longer be awarded after a match win.

    Battlegrounds
    • Upon winning a rated Battleground, rating, wins, and Conquest Points are awarded and display properly.
    • Negative amounts of Conquest Points can no longer be awarded after a match win.

    Tol Barad
    • Winning as an attacker now rewards players with 1800 Honor Points, up from 180. Winning as a defender still rewards players with 180 Honor Points.

    Quests & Creatures
    Deepholm
    • Gyreworms, Enormous Gyreworms, and Gorged Gyreworms no longer drop money or elite-level loot.

    Tol Barad
    • Cell Watchers in the D-Block area no longer have boss-like immunities. Interrupts, stuns, snares, taunts, knockbacks, Banish, Root, Freeze, Fear, Horror and Death Grip all work correctly.

    Twilight Highlands
    • Crucible of Carnage quests can no longer be shared.

    Uldum
    • The Unearthing Uldum quest achievement can now be obtained after completing 105 quests in Uldum, down from 108.
    • Players are now granted 250 Ramkahen reputation after completing the daily quest "Fire From the Sky".

    Vashj'ir
    • The Luxscale Grouper's Grouper Bite debuff now has a 5-second duration and will no longer sometimes get stuck on characters.

    Zul'Drak
    • Due to adjusted health pools, the heal-over-time effect provided by Blightblood Infusion (used by players controlling the Blightblood Troll) during the Overlord Drakuru encounter has been increased.
    Last edited by Boubouille; 2010-12-28 at 05:11 AM.

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    Finally some nerfs to SV huntards...
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    I didn't think I was an idiot; as a mage fanatic, i am glad to see that they are recognizing damage is too low.

    I've been doing a lot of research on the class (I can't really crunch the numbers myself; never been too into the theorycrafting) on Elitist Jerks, and well, i've never seen so much QQ in a thread on that site, and it all comes from the math.

    We're far too based on RNG, and to reach our maximum potential---no wait, scrap that, to want to be able to reach our maximum potential, we'd have to literally break the game, and give ourselves the right gear; it's impossible.

    They don't need to up the damage on spells; they need to just completely rework the class; it's not too late to do so, it's never too late.


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    meh, locks still win at standing still and pressing buttons against a sv hunter.

    But buffs to bm and marks, sure someone will cry about that, too.

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    warrior nerfs... now ive never complained before but i truly am stunned here

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    Quote Originally Posted by kisain09 View Post
    warrior nerfs... now ive never complained before but i truly am stunned here
    You do realize warriors are really strong right now? They do need to be toned down a bit, and it looks like they are.
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    seriously, most of you won't play that game anymore in 1 months.

    Boub has a time machine?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zakayron View Post
    Finally some nerfs to SV huntards...
    They aren't nerfing anything about hunters, they are BUFFING the rest of us.

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    I do agree feral ticks are out of order, but will they now nerf us back down to the ground where we do not fit one proper combo and cause people to reject us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zakayron View Post
    Finally some nerfs to SV huntards...
    @_@ could you point out the "nerf" us SV hunters got? I read it over a few times and didnt see any nerf? Just saw BM/Marks buffs lol.

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    I'm glad they're buffing up MM and BM, I have no issue with SV's damage, just enjoy MM much more and want it to be more competitive. Thank You Blizz.

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    Why force UH DK's to use 2H? Frost feels horrid since these talents came in and now we're not going to be able to effectively DW as UH, this sucks.

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    I hope they don't nerf feral PVE in attempting to balance PVP. I love how the most skilled ferals can put pure DPS classes to shame, but the majority of ferals are just meh when it comes to big numbers. Was that way through Wrath and has been that way so far in Cata, so here's hoping.

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    So, we still can't fly over Eversong Woods, eh?

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    Tol Barad
    •Winning as an attacker now rewards players with 1800 Honor Points, up from 180. Winning as a defender still rewards players with 180 Honor Points.
    Explaining this to blood thristy pking monkeys might be difficult. Some of them even have full rare pvp set and dont give a s*** about honor.
    But I guess we have to wait untill the next patch for balance fix.
    Hope they fix those guards at allaince camps as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oathmaker View Post
    I didn't think I was an idiot; as a mage fanatic, i am glad to see that they are recognizing damage is too low.

    I've been doing a lot of research on the class (I can't really crunch the numbers myself; never been too into the theorycrafting) on Elitist Jerks, and well, i've never seen so much QQ in a thread on that site, and it all comes from the math.

    We're far too based on RNG, and to reach our maximum potential---no wait, scrap that, to want to be able to reach our maximum potential, we'd have to literally break the game, and give ourselves the right gear; it's impossible.

    They don't need to up the damage on spells; they need to just completely rework the class; it's not too late to do so, it's never too late.
    Meh, more about them fixing Ignite's formula and making sure Flame Orb doesn't decide to despawn right away without doing 0 damage. The only other thing that would help is a slight mana cost reduction, but they don't really have to rework the spec, it'll just get more potent as time goes on.

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    the mushroom thing makes me so happy.
    I never thought that they where to bad for pvp with the slow but there are better things to take, and pve they suck. And I was so exited for this spell
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    Ret damage might be too low? MIGHT!?! Really Bliz? really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zakayron View Post
    Finally some nerfs to SV huntards...
    Someone is mad 'cause a hunter beat him on meters.
    If anything SV is doing equal DPS to Unholy DKs and Destro Locks on most fights, nothing absurd for a PURE DPS class.

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    # We also want to address DK mobility in PvP.
    What exactly does this mean? Are they slowing us down? I don't understand that at all.

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    I am kinda worried about this myself. :\ Our bleeds hit pretty hard but it is the only thing keeping us competetive in PvE right now.

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