Earthquake... 31 Talent Point Ability? Really?

[Waffleman]

Earthquake is 60% of base mana.

Blizzard is 74%.
Rain of Fire is 57%

60% is by no means excessive for channeled AoEs.

However those spells are trainable. I have a hard time believing our 31 pt talent should be par with other, trainable AoE's.

[Abandon]

However those spells are trainable. I have a hard time believing our 31 pt talent should be par with other, trainable AoE's.

Does them being trainable really have anything to do with it? And your AoE is not on par with them, it is ahead of them. Not so far ahead that guilds are forced to bring a Shaman for AoE fights, but still higher damage.

[Waffleman]

Does them being trainable really have anything to do with it?

I really think it should. Like OP stated: a majority of the other 31pt talents are quite good, ours shouldn't be (As you say) Just above par.

[PraLiNeN]

Since most people are masturbating on dps meters, I can see why you complain. It has it uses, it reduces damage taken for the tank when there are alot of mobs to aoe since some will be knocked down, if he is tanking them. (unless they are immune).

Be happy that we have something at all, after all it's a signature spell from WC3 (Far Seer). And I remember people wanted earthquake for a long time.

[Waffleman]

Be happy that we have something at all, after all it's a signature spell from WC3 (Far Seer). And I remember people wanted earthquake for a long time.

I was one of those people, however, the spell's current combination of Mana cost/damage/stun chance for a 31pt talent leaves something wanting.

[Abandon]

I was one of those people, however, the spell's current combination of Mana cost/damage/stun chance for a 31pt talent leaves something wanting.

The mana cost is similar to other channelled AoE, the damage is higher than other AoE, and it also has an additional chance to knock down the opponent. If you want to trade for Mind Sear I would be more than happy to oblige, then you can have fun using an AoE which does less damage in Shadowform than Holy Nova. It may be good for you to see an AoE which has real problems, other than simply "I am not sure if I like the feel of it as my 31 talent point".

[Deleted]

The mana cost is similar to other channelled AoE, the damage is higher than other AoE, and it also has an additional chance to knock down the opponent. If you want to trade for Mind Sear I would be more than happy to oblige, then you can have fun using an AoE which does less damage in Shadowform than Holy Nova. It may be good for you to see an AoE which has real problems, other than simply "I am not sure if I like the feel of it as my 31 talent point".

I'd trade for dispersion and put 5000gold on top x_X

[Gonken]

PvP Wise its still good to interrupt drinkers through pillars

[Abandon]

I'd trade for dispersion and put 5000gold on top x_X

Sorry, it's my only defensive cooldown AND my main mana regen tool. You would think those are the type of things most classes would get as trainer skills, but...

[Extrakt]

So you are complaining that other 31 point talents give much more damage.
Even though you know blizzard is trying to balance out every classes damage output.
So if they ''are'' at the same level, then this means your 31 point talent doesnt have to be an increased damage spell. Because your other talents wich do not require 31 points are obviously better then any other class. This has to be otherwise your damage output cant be the same as for example a warriors. ( Dont start with me, the goal is to be all viable )

I mean sure, it looks not as good in comparison. But it shouldn't matter since specs are balanced out.

[sicness]

The greater issue is; we're balanced and competitive right now, in DPS. If we were to get a shiny new 31-pointer that was used constantly in our rotation and was our new bestest spell ever, what should Blizzard nerf to balance us out again? It's gotta be something. They can't just buff us with a new awesome talent if we're balanced as we are; that would make us OP.

You tell me what useful and solid ability or talent you think should be hosed to the ground to make up the loss of DPS to balance the boost your theoretical new 31-pointer will bring.

Honestly for both pve and pvp elemental could use a cooldown ability like Shamanistic Rage that would work offensively and defensively. Maybe buff, Ele Mastery to have the 'cannot be stopped unless killed' mechanic and move it to the top tier. I don't know, I'm not good at coming up with new stuff but it doesn't take a genius to realize that earthquake is extremely lackluster for a 31 point talent.

[kenten]

I do not like Earth Quake at all. Used it a lot when the talent patch was released in WOTLK, but haven't used it since the expansion...
Good bye Earth Quake. Hello Spirit Wolves!

[Deleted]

earth quake sucks, its too risky to burn a good 15k mana and the chances of getting the knock down in pvp are soo low :'(

[Pogs]

Be happy that we have something at all, after all it's a signature spell from WC3 (Far Seer).

As apposed to nothing at all in the 31 talent point? Confused.

[Carighan]

However those spells are trainable. I have a hard time believing our 31 pt talent should be par with other, trainable AoE's.

Oh so you believe DKs should be stronger than other tanks / melee because only unlock them at 55, too?
That's hardly an argument. Stuff still needs to balance, talent or not.

[Deleted]

disagree. its your better aoe. unless you think chain lightning will do on 60 mobs :P

When and why would you fight 60 mobs? And how does this help in PvP?

[Justaway]

Sadly, but I have to agree with the OP here. Our Earthquake is quiet dissapointing and abit to late.. it could've been nice when ICC whas there but with the dungeons we currently have we will never, ever use it.

I would took it if it would have the old crumble cookie animation just for <3. But now it is a really lackluster, expensive AoE.

[Shakawaka]

In my opinion I think Eearthquake should be learn able, and blizzard show give us a 31 talent point that can make ele shaman better in pvp/pve since they are removing our BL in arena

[Mammoth]

My problem with EQ is they gave it to us in an expansion where aoe is useless. Not much I can do about it so not going to spend all day QQ.

HC's no longer require AoE, but there are certainly raid boss mechanics require AoE. If shaman didn't have EQ, I would probably take another class instead in my team.