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    peeling a DK

    So... huh... any ideas on how you peel a DK (looking at PTR notes)

    They can now break and go immune to stuns with Icebound Fortitude

    also, look at these new gems:

    Death's Advance (new talent): While both Unholy Runes are depleted, movement-impairing effects cannot reduce the death knight below 75/100% of normal movement speed.

    Glyph of Dark Succor (new talent) raise the minimum healing done by Death Strike from 7% to 20% of maximum health, but only while in Unholy or Frost Presence

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    better study a dk dude. U really dont know where ur talking about. This changes where needed. we wont do more insane dmg to you or somethin. We can just move better. the deathstrike cost uh and frost rune, so that keeps us from using other good dmg abilitys. Its just a life saver like a rogue got too. that combo point stacking 50% dmg reduction that is REALLy strong. So you shouldnt worry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phalonyx View Post
    better study a dk dude. U really dont know where ur talking about. This changes where needed. we wont do more insane dmg to you or somethin. We can just move better. the deathstrike cost uh and frost rune, so that keeps us from using other good dmg abilitys. Its just a life saver like a rogue got too. that combo point stacking 50% dmg reduction that is REALLy strong. So you shouldnt worry.
    lol, wow. congrats on not addressing any of the new changes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phalonyx View Post
    better study a dk dude. U really dont know where ur talking about. This changes where needed. we wont do more insane dmg to you or somethin. We can just move better. the deathstrike cost uh and frost rune, so that keeps us from using other good dmg abilitys. Its just a life saver like a rogue got too. that combo point stacking 50% dmg reduction that is REALLy strong. So you shouldnt worry.
    Actually, every healer I ever speak to ever complains about Unholy Death knights. Unless I Instant-Root the DK off my healer in Arena he is allowed to stack necrotic strike and usually means we lose as soon as he and his partner swap to doing damage.

    Unholy DK mobility gets buffed and Warrior mobility gets nerfed, both are roughly the same damage currently in Arena, but now DK's have even more tools to escape CC and continue putting out high pressure, this change isn't needed and I hope they re-think it.

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    i guess DKs did need a "life saver" because you didn't have any of those before hand. oh wait; AMS, AMZ, icebound, ghoul sac, spam death coil on yourself. nah, no "life savers" there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anoxil View Post
    So... huh... any ideas on how you peel a DK (looking at PTR notes)

    They can now break and go immune to stuns with Icebound Fortitude

    also, look at these new gems:

    Death's Advance (new talent): While both Unholy Runes are depleted, movement-impairing effects cannot reduce the death knight below 75/100% of normal movement speed.

    Glyph of Dark Succor (new talent) raise the minimum healing done by Death Strike from 7% to 20% of maximum health, but only while in Unholy or Frost Presence

    Welcome to season 5 folks
    k guess ill address these abilities -ahem-

    Death's Advance (new talent): While both Unholy Runes are depleted, movement-impairing effects cannot reduce the death knight below 75/100% of normal movement speed. - For unholy dks only, i for one, as do alot of dks will be playing frost, so your only problem is unholy dks for this ability since its 4th tier and untrainable unless you choose that tree. The reason this was implemented is because death knights had the worst, THE WORST mobility in the game, so bad they had to give DK's spamable roots just to catch their target, which was later nerfed, changed and now reaplied to the frost tree

    Glyph of Dark Succor (new talent) raise the minimum healing done by Death Strike from 7% to 20% of maximum health, but only while in Unholy or Frost Presence - now this one, deathstrike has been nerfed every patch since cata came out, to the point where i unbound this ability and replaced it with bandages (2 bandage ticks did more healing then a death strike which costs me 33% of my runes to use). Another thing about this glyph is that it only helps if we can make contact with you, and for the purposes of speaking, your a rogue, you have an ability that makes sure my death strike never lands, i wish i had an ability that would magically let me heal myself (prep - 2 combo points - self heal) without touching a single thing
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    I am all for deaths advance as long necro strike stops stacking, that absorbs 37k heal shit is annoying.

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    right well, not everything revolves around pvp, the mobility buff was sorely needed in pvp and the healing was sorely needed in pve.

    wanna kill a dk? do it the same as you did before, keep him at range so he can't use his unholy runes, don't let him hit you with a death strike, slow him as much as possible and win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phalonyx View Post
    better study a dk dude. U really dont know where ur talking about. This changes where needed. we wont do more insane dmg to you or somethin. We can just move better. the deathstrike cost uh and frost rune, so that keeps us from using other good dmg abilitys. Its just a life saver like a rogue got too. that combo point stacking 50% dmg reduction that is REALLy strong. So you shouldnt worry.
    Way at not reading the post thread. 'Peeling a DK' and you just stated 'move better' who cares about damage when you cant get a class out of your face, something will eventually die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iWolfBanei View Post
    Actually, every healer I ever speak to ever complains about Unholy Death knights. Unless I Instant-Root the DK off my healer in Arena he is allowed to stack necrotic strike and usually means we lose as soon as he and his partner swap to doing damage.

    Unholy DK mobility gets buffed and Warrior mobility gets nerfed, both are roughly the same damage currently in Arena, but now DK's have even more tools to escape CC and continue putting out high pressure, this change isn't needed and I hope they re-think it.
    Necrotic strike is getting affected by resilience, warriors had more mobility to begin with, it was almost impossible to keep a warrior of your healer in arena. It was needed seeing as how a resto sham can drop earth bind totem on a pillar and ghost wolf herp derp around the thing for hours or atleast till ams comes up then they begin to heal.

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    eh..............................................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anoxil View Post
    i guess DKs did need a "life saver" because you didn't have any of those before hand. oh wait; AMS, AMZ, icebound, ghoul sac, spam death coil on yourself. nah, no "life savers" there
    Ams - i know, how dare a dk have a anti caster ability, we must be the only ones right?
    Amz - unholy only, 30k bubble, easily poppable
    IBF- nerfed to 3 mins, whats the problem again?
    ghoul sac - got nerfed 50%
    death coil spam heal - only capabile when you spend 6 points in the frost tree, giving us a 6 second window to heal outselves, which if where stunned or silenced, or hit with garrot, we, are, screwed, and to put another nail in this coffin, the glyph that helped us fire off multiple death coils to heal ourseleves (which btw, costs 40 runic power to do, hint hint) was removed so we no longer get refunded 20 runic power
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conno View Post
    right well, not everything revolves around pvp, the mobility buff was sorely needed in pvp and the healing was sorely needed in pve.

    wanna kill a dk? do it the same as you did before, keep him at range so he can't use his unholy runes, don't let him hit you with a death strike, slow him as much as possible and win.
    Thanks, good to know this community has a saviour from ignorance.

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    I wouldn't mind Necrotic Strike being removed from the game if only so idiots would stop talking about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mufasax View Post
    Ams - i know, how dare a dk have a anti caster ability, we must be the only ones right?
    Amz - unholy only, 30k bubble, easily poppable
    IBF- nerfed to 3 mins, whats the problem again?
    ghoul sac - got nerfed 50%
    death coil spam heal - only capabile when you spend 6 points in the frost tree, giving us a 6 second window to heal outselves, which if where stunned or silenced, or hit with garrot, we, are, screwed, and to put another nail in this coffin, the glyph that helped us fire off multiple death coils to heal ourseleves (which btw, costs 40 runic power to do, hint hint) was removed so we no longer get refunded 20 runic power

    If you dont want the Death Knight to Sac, silence him, he cant do it, No to mention if you, as Unholy specced, Death pact, you lose a big chunk of your damage.
    if You see a dk death Strike spamming he's retarded, DS gives LOW runic power, that means, no Death Coils hence no Runic Corruption, that means our Runes will be on cd even more........ AND no damage output, diseases will fall off, no desecration, no Necrotic Strikes, so many things that arent taken under consideration....also, you can disarm the Dk, stun him, so many things you can do......

    that DS glyph is pretty much made so melee doesnt train on us all the arena or bg and we just tank the damage, we can actually HELP our healer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Managarm_4 View Post
    If you dont want the Death Knight to Sac, silence him, he cant do it, No to mention if you, as Unholy specced, Death pact, you lose a big chunk of your damage.
    if You see a dk death Strike spamming he's retarded, DS gives LOW runic power, that means, no Death Coils hence no Runic Corruption, that means our Runes will be on cd even more........ AND no damage output, diseases will fall off....also, you can disarm the Dk, stun him, so many things you can do......

    that DS glyph is pretty much made so melee doesnt train on us all the arena or bg and we just tank the damage, we can actually HELP our healer
    i do feel we got trolled, hes not even online to dispute anything we have posted, let alone i dont think hes even been to the 2k ratting to even understand tunnel-visioning a target = no bueno
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    if you are a death knight and are going to make a comment about pvp please link 2.2k arena achievements

    nvm going to the arena junkies forums, later

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mufasax View Post
    Ams - i know, how dare a dk have a anti caster ability, we must be the only ones right?
    Amz - unholy only, 30k bubble, easily poppable
    IBF- nerfed to 3 mins, whats the problem again?
    ghoul sac - got nerfed 50%
    death coil spam heal - only capabile when you spend 6 points in the frost tree, giving us a 6 second window to heal outselves, which if where stunned or silenced, or hit with garrot, we, are, screwed, and to put another nail in this coffin, the glyph that helped us fire off multiple death coils to heal ourseleves (which btw, costs 40 runic power to do, hint hint) was removed so we no longer get refunded 20 runic power
    Ok so what, you want all those abilitys, and no cool down to boot or what, don't pop cds where you can be easily countered. Bad dks got kited around and died, but alas blizzard has to account for the lowest common denomiantor so dks get more love toys. I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firehorse View Post
    Ok so what, you want all those abilitys, and no cool down to boot or what, don't pop cds where you can be easily countered. Bad dks got kited around and died, but alas blizzard has to account for the lowest common denomiantor so dks get more love toys. I
    i hope your talking to the person who i responded too, cause if not, scroll up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anoxil View Post
    if you are a death knight and are going to make a comment about pvp please link 2.2k arena achievements

    nvm going to the arena junkies forums, later
    of course, here's the link to my achievement

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...evement#95:165


    anything else?

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