wat r u tlkin bout dud
wat r u tlkin bout dud
It's not only about English. There is the same problem in russian language and I'm sure in all other languages too.
I see 2 reasons of it.
1. Forums and chats are informal in their mass. And people tend to shorten words in favor of typing time. I personally see no problem with that like in speech we always shorten some words and it's ok in informal enviroment. Typing 'u' instead of 'you', the famous 'l2p' (my keyboard would broke if I had to write it right each time someone post a bullshit).
2. Kids like to mock at language. It's really fun at first but then when you tired of it you realize that it doesn't stop. And it starts to annoy. As I said as people grow they will back to normal language. You'll just have to ignore some new kids' language inventions.
Everyone has a certainly level of skill and/or practice in the art of writing. Not everyone knows all the rules of grammar or punctuation. You clearly don't know all of them, or you wouldn't have made the mistakes you did in a post complaining about grammar. I don't pretend that I know all of them either, English Grammar is fairly complex and in a constant state of development.
If the post is written in sufficiently comprehensible English for you to understand and reply, it's probably good enough. Would it be nice if people took more time with their written communications? Yes. Do I tend to take people's opinions more seriously, when they are better communicated? Yes. Do I expect every post I come across on the Internet to be art? Not by a long shot.
By the way, the inner English teacher says it should look like:
I know a lot of people don't care about proper grammar (in their native language no less). You have to understand that you sound ridiculous when you spell things improperly, use/don't use proper punctuation, or spl like ur txting. If you could actually hear what it sounds like, here's an example:
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Full of win. Excellent post/thread/video ahahahahaha
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"Being wrong is erroneously associated with failure. When in fact to be proven wrong should be celebrated. It is [being elevated] to a new level of understanding." - Peter Joseph
ZOMG! Play NES games in your browser!Originally Posted by Beazy
Today's example from trade chat:
"Bella stop saying ur @#$%ing private life u nub"
First I thought Bella was in army. But that "life" didn't fit. After 15 seconds i managed to understand it was supposed to be "Bella, stop talking about your private life", after seeing Bella had said "In my bed".
Someone could say that this "ur" should give me a clue, as it's "your" instead of "you're". But seeing how this sentence was already ravaged, and how many mistakes are made with those 2 words, I simply ignored it.
I have enough of EA ruining great franchises and studios, forcing DRM and Origin on their games, releasing incomplete games only to sell day-1 DLCs or spill dozens of DLCs, and then saying it, and microtransactions, is what players want, stopping players from giving EA games poor reviews, as well as deflecting complaints with cheap PR tricks.
I'm not going to buy any game by EA as long as they continue those practices.
idk, the whole sub culturistic aspect of the "leet" speak thing used to seem kind of cool but it's over imo. kind of like the ebonic plague of years back. flash in the pan.
now it just seems like people trying to type as poorly as possible half way resembling something understandable.
i'd much rather see someone trying to be intelligent and fail than look retarded and succeed.
While I understand the OP's concern, I am also rather against the concept of the language devolving. It's changing, as it always has. New standards will appear over time to conform, and these standards will be rightfully bashed to pieces by new language again.
And it's mostly always been like that. Communication doesn't have to be complex, which any person who's been in a foreign nation whose language they couldn't speak should have hinted at.
I'm all for having standards so we understand one another, but when people talk about preserving the language, or bashing new language, they remind me of the uproars when women thought, "Hey, I'll wear a skirt that goes down to above the knee" and practically got called hoes for doing so. Good ol' times, heh. :B
That great nation that first thought Nazi Germany could provide a buffer between Western Europe and the rising Soviet Union, and thus did not much to hinder Hitler's takeover?
However, that's not the point. We're talking about lazy people indiscriminate of their nation or first language. We're accusing people that write unintelligible sentences because they don't care about the readers, not because they don't know the language that well.
Ironically, reading the quote of my earlier post in the OPs reply, I found two typos in my own writing (now corrected). I was careful while typing, went back to proof read, and still made mistakes. It's the nature of the beast, people make mistakes. As to the idea that the language itself is devolving... People have been saying that pretty much since there has been language.
You can find writings decrying the sorry state of Greek or Latin grammar from the ancient world. English grammar has been failing, according to someone, since English started to exist as a language separate from its French and German roots. For examples of language decried by some elite person or other at various times, look no further than popular literature. Read Huckleberry Finn and check the barely comprehensible accent. Watch the movie My Fair Lady and imagine that her language would have actually started out even less understandable than in did in the movie version. Hell, when it was written Shakespeare was considered low brow by many.
The modern world has brought three things into the discourse on language that previously didn't exist. The first is that media like television has softened regional accents and increased our ability to parse what remains. When it comes to the spoken word, we all tend to find each other more understandable than in the past. The second is near universal literacy at one level or another. This is important to the current discussion, because while the vast majority of the western world (and more people than ever even in developing countries) can read or write at the basic level required to function, only those who practice ever become good at it. The third is forums on the Internet which allow all people to express opinions, including those who don't practice writing much.
So the debate about the death of the English language has moved from the spoken word, to the written word. I suspect that in a hundred years someone will *still* be claiming that English is dying and won't exist in another hundred years. They'll probably be wrong too.
bear tank & beer tank...
just one character, but what a difference ^_^
The point is that typing like a retard makes you look like a retard.
That, and most readers don't want to have to try and decode/translate the face-mashing sentences you've just written.
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1. Respect your fellow community member
Do not correct other people's posts when they make a grammatical or spelling mistake. Not everyone's native language is English. If yours is you should be glad everyone else is doing an effort. Respect that.
My first language is English (from UK) but am I gonna sit back with "well, my language is spoken widely so I don't have to bother?" - no, it makes you look like a clueless ass with a sense of self righteousness. You ARE the problem, I assure you, not those with English as a second language.
Originally Posted by BoubouilleOriginally Posted by xxAkirhaxx
But yes, as Lovestar said, language both written and spoken will evolve and continue to evolve throughout the span of humanity. There is a phenomenon known as "Old Village - New Village" in the world of linguistics; Take English for example. The 'Old Village' would be England, the originating point of the English language. In the old village, elders and children alike welcome and adapt to linguistic changes easily. There a number of theories on why this occurs but all the ideas pretty much coalesce towards the same conclusion. The old village just doesn't care. As long as they can understand what is being said, the language is doing its job. The 'New Village', the United States, clings on to their linguistic history and savagely defends it from any form of evolution out of a sense of pride and selfishness. Its been proven that language used by those in the New Village isn't used merely as a means of communication but rather as a definition of intellectual and social status.