"Being wrong is erroneously associated with failure. When in fact to be proven wrong should be celebrated. It is [being elevated] to a new level of understanding." - Peter Joseph
ZOMG! Play NES games in your browser!Originally Posted by Beazy
Anonymity is the cause to both ends of the spectrum of internet assholes.
Both ends believe the other end is very wrong.
Both ends are right.
Quite often, the difference between an idiot and a genius is simply a matter of success rate.
personally i find these threads r just another way to 1up urself over others, why do u even care if "they sound stupid"?
its not as if bad grammer is contagious and ur suddenly gonna become the thing that drives ppl to make threads like this
There's always someone, somewhere, with a big nose, who knows, who will trip you up and laugh when you fall.. - Morrissey
I don't give a danm for a man that can only spell a word one way. - Mark Twain
Dont take this as an offence, it just comes to show that everyone is free to speak the way he likes, as long as it isn't an environment where formal language is compulsory. I'm not a fan of the L337 Speak too, but I'm not a grammer Nazi either, moreover english isn't my mother language, so Im kind of a medley. However, in forums, or when I contact a GM, or when I ask/offer something in general I'll try to use less abbreviations and also check my spelling, but In the middle of a fight when I don't have enough time or when I'm chit-chatting I dont see how choosing the faster way to express myself is wrong in any way.
The problem isn't the spelling mistakes, it's the severe lack of knowing when and where to stop a sentance or use proper punctuation. The wrong you're, your really aggrivates me, as well as the their, there, they're. Each of these words convey a different meaning, many of which make no sense when a your is used instead of a you're.
Also, as far as the "This is a forum/game in a casual setting and it really doesn't matter if I use improper grammar or punctuation", in all reality, it does matter. Human beings are creatures of habit. How many people who smoke cigarettes say "I'm going to quit smoking"? How many actually do? Same goes for this. You get used to abbreviating words and phrases, sooner or later you're going to send an email or write out a resume with the same grammar or spelling mistakes that ultimately end in you looking like an uneducated fool.
On the subject of language, I fully agree with the OP. I don't mind the little typos and easily-made mistakes that plague nearly everyone. I have learned to live with the fact that most people don't use punctuation and capitalization when writing in an informal setting. What I do mind is when someone just doesn't care about what they are writing. If you care so little about what you are saying that you cannot even bother with basic grammar and intelligibility, then why would you expect the rest of us to pay attention to what you've just said?
I also feel the need to comment on the fact that language, like any skill, is one that needs to be practiced and honed. If you nearly always use poor language skills in your everyday life, those poorly-developed skills WILL translate over into your professional life. I cannot tell you how many job applications I have reviewed and thrown into the garbage because the applicant didn't even care enough to use punctuation or spell simple words correctly. When I help my professors with their grading, I am often absolutely appalled at the fact that most of my peers (upperclassmen) can barely read and write at a fifth-grade level.
I am not a "Grammar Nazi." I understand that language evolves. However, what is happening now is certainly not "evolution." wrtng lik dis maks mai brane hrt, cuz its harder too rite and its vry hard 2 undrstnd! OMG LYK HAI SEXXIIIIIIIIIIII, I DINT NO U WER CUMMING OVR 2NITE, I GOT JELLO SHOTZ N U CAN HAV SUM 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is NOT evolution of language. That is simply being lazy and willfully ignorant.
I think I can point out a grammatical, spelling, or punctual mistake on every post in this thread.
If grammar and spelling are so important... why is there US english?
STFU and kill shit.
Also, this subject is relevant. Although it's not completely accurate, I would hate to see the world turn into something like the movie Idiocracy (if you haven't seen this movie, watch it and you'll understand what I mean)
i think propper grammer and spelling is important! im not the best person at spelling, but i like to think i have good grammer. in game grammer is not that important, beacuse alot of the words used in game for most people i would consider it a type of shorthand. expecially since alot of times you hay have to type something quickly. however in real life, on important things, you should use the best grammer that you know. most employers are not going to hire somone for a good job if on their resume they use things like: aint, yeah to answer yes, i do "insert verb here" good, let me ax you sumpin.
i do like to make fun of the english language though, i like to actually sound out words and not folow the rules that go along with how this crazy language is setup.
im not going to give any examples because they escape me at the moment but i do it enough to drive my wife nuts!
Last edited by BIG ROB; 2011-01-15 at 05:38 PM.
If it is understandable..what is the problem? If you want to to keep the bar low, fine...but would you apply the same principle to everything in life? Why improve your english in a business situation if some sort of "understandable" garble works?
Would you like to contribute to a thread where somebody writes "Lol, pally's R bad, all their do is bobble in pvp". Sure..that is understandable, but it also communicates that the poster might have an IQ that barely allows him to walk upright.
"It’s not the job of the artist to give the audience what the audience wants. If the audience knew what they needed, then they wouldn’t be the audience. They would be the artists. It is the job of artists to give the audience what they need."
— Alan Moore
Try to (re)present yourself well. I guess that's the message the OP wants to get across. If people don't don't attempt to use correct spelling (the odd typo is understandable) and grammar it leaves the reader not knowing if the person he is reading is:
*Too lazy to do so
*Incapable due to insufficient mental development (bad education or home standards)
*Incapable due to something like Dyslexia
*Still learning the language
Some posters state "Sorry for mistakes - English isn't my first language" if they are trying to learn English and that is really something to commend. They are trying. Learning a foreign language is not always easy due to some of the unusual rules a particular language may employ. I'd like to see more native English speakers learn a different language as well as mastering English to the best of their abilities.
It seems that the people that are left after we set aside non-native English speakers are either, lazy, not too smart in this department (willfully or due to poor education), or have a condition which makes it more difficult for them to use letters and words.
I'd like to ask, how many of those feeling defensive about your substandard spelling suffer from Dyslexia? I do understand that this seems to be more and more commonly diagnosed. Two of my uncles are dyslexic but when they were at school (in the 50s and 60s) they were just considered "too stupid to learn". I'd imagine even today, people with Dyslexia can get understandably frustrated and angry at times as they have standards to reach in order to be taken seriously.
This leaves the "Lazy and Stupid" - who's fault is that? Well I blame education myself.
Such a great video about it here: http://www.videobash.com/video_show/...paradigms-5943
When I first started school my reading age dropped by a year and really struggled to find lessons interesting. I found that I've become more educated since leaving school, with regards to finding subjects that interest me and learning about them. I'm better at maths than I ever was at school. I hated it then.
I know that if I made a distinction between how I behave to people online, and how I act in the "real world" (online is merely and extension of that as we are all still addressing humans) I wouldn't feel like a genuine person. This matters to me for some reason. If I decided that while online I'd spell badly but save "the proper spelling" for "when it mattered" when it came to writing a formal letter / email or creating a C.V I would less confident about doing a good job of it.
Communication's first priority is to make yourself understood. The second is that the person hearing you has to be open to what you are saying and interpret it correctly. What is really happening is people are interpreting each other. What and how is being said is just the vehicle.
This is why some people get annoyed with bad spelling a grammar: They commit to their social activity by trying to communicate in a way that shows respect for the reader and themselves. If this enthusiasm isn't met they are left feeling that they cannot learn from this person. Learning from others is crucial in human life and social structures.
TL;DR - I went on a bit. Sorry :P
Last edited by Vaell; 2011-01-15 at 06:00 PM.
Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance.
When I taught high school, I also played WoW with some of my students. The ones who never followed grammar rules in-game also never followed them in in their important assignments at school.
You may say that grammar is unimportant on a game or a forum, but what we do in our free time defines who we really are, because that is what we are doing when fewer influences are compelling us.
People who fail at grammar in their free time generally fail at it in real life where it really counts.
Edit: There is a difference between learning a language, and speaking your native one. I am not complaining about those who are still in the process of learning and are actually trying.
You can spot the difference between a lazy, stupid native speaker and a non-native who is actually trying.
I wish MMO-Champion would adjust their rules on grammar. As it currently stands, they reward laziness by defending sloppiness, when they should be encouraging those who actually try, regardless of their grasp on the English language.
Last edited by commanderbeatdown; 2011-01-15 at 06:01 PM.
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