While your at it, give Shamans Bubble please and lay on hands, oh and can we have mirror image and blink to please?
I have a prot warrior and an elemental shaman, and I can tell you right now Im never short of decent mages or shamans who are obviously willing to provide their buffs to my group. If Blizzard had the same mentality you do, Im sure every class, would have every buff, which would take away alot of that class's identity.
Just because you'd love our buff doesn't mean you need it. Honestly how often have you found yourself in a raid In Cataclysm so far that doesn't have a single shaman, mage or BM hunter in it? Guessing that number wasn't very high.
This haha
Thing is though why would a tank need it? only for haste better for heals and dps rather than tanks imo
I like mages having time warp. Not because I am a mage but everytime I am raiding a mage pops up Time Warp I just have to sing that song from the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Let's do the Time Warp again
Give EVERYTHING to EVERYONE!
I'm not talking about the times when there is a Mage/Shaman/BM Hunter in a group, I'm talking about when there isn't one that can do comparable, consistant damage/healing compared to another player who can, and lacks the buff. Bloodlust has never been a personal buff in content that mattered, It's not a buff to anybody because EVERYONE gets the benifit. Also, I haven't played WoW in over 3 months. That does not mean I haven't kept current with what changes are going on and what I personally have to do, And while my experence with group make-up is not up to date, I do remember in the past where there was not a shaman in the raid and we didn't get a clean kill or even didn't down the boss. Allowing tanks to be the sole owners of Bloodlust means ANY group makeup will have the buff.
Also, Blizzard's intend with their "Take the player, not the class" Was to not punish players for not having that one specific "God Mode" buff, Hence why they simplified buffs and made them like other similar buffs, so now Druid's can give kings when there isn't a paladin avalable and not be punished for it instead of missing out on a crucial buff. I feel the same way, because it pushes players away from taking that one spec for that game-breaking buff, to taking anyone who can hold their weight. The whole purpose of it is to allow for more (relaxed) group make up and allow players to take whoever they like and not be missing out.
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No buff has ever been a required buff, there could be zero buffs and people would still manage to down bosses, the argument is many players feel gimped when those small (but noticable) boosts to their abilities are missing. But NOT having it could make the difference between a whipe and a kill if they had had it.
Add every class ability of every class to every other class. There. Everybody's happy or at least equally unhappy, which means they are all at the same happiness, which is happy, which is good.
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This wouldn't really change that much, would it? Unless you gave it to Warriors, Death Knights, Druids and Paladins, then you are just as likely not to have any class that can cast it as you are now. If you give it to Death Knights it wouldn't make much of a difference if your guild has a Druid and Paladin tank, for example.
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Hmm, i like that not only shammys can do hero, would be nice for paladins to get hero aswell
Although we can't get buffed bliz will have withdraw without nerfing us
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Totems LOL, they gave totems to every freaking class
Weapon imbues? Yeah they are a nice buff, but they are the only thing that lets us compete in the DPS realm, take away flametongue from ele and they would be far below tanks. Take away Windfury and no one would bring enhance, since all of their buffs have been given away since wrath.
Ghost wolf? Whats that good for? Running back thru the instance after a wipe, CHECK.
Shocks and Shield spells? Yeah they are nice, but again, the rest of the talents and abilities are structured so that if we dont use them correctly we fail.
Chain lighting / Heal. You do know that chainheal was nerfed into the ground right? Lightning is just a cleave, lets take away warrior cleaves, blizzard, fan of knives, "pally cleave that escapes me atm" you see where I am going with that right?
Elementals, yeah they are nice now that they are on a 10 min cooldown, can't be used in arena, can't be used one after the other "cooldown after popping one before you can use the other"
The only reason shaman were in PvP back in the first 4 seasons of arena was to pop heroism then shamanistic rage and try to be a focus target for 15 sec while everyone else tried to kill off people. Heroism / Bloodlust is a SHAMAN ability, tanks need something, but not my group buff, everything else I had has been given away.
Sadly this, and even Bloodlust has been given away. I understand that there has to be redundancy in buffs but stop trying to trivialize shaman's buffs, if more than 50% of classes can give the same buffs we do, then with our dps being lower than pure dpsers we will never get in a group. Not to mention when I chose a shaman I never expected to every class have the same thing I do, while I don't get anything like them.
I would prefer to see Bloodlust and similar buffs be scraped entirely from game than to see our best move in WC3 be trivialized this way.
I was providing a list of things that differentiate the shaman class from other classes because people were whining that we had stolen "the one thing that set their class apart" which is obviously untrue. It wasn't necessarily a list of spells that are useful, but ones that set your class apart from other people's classes.
People are unreasonably attached to the heroism buff simply because it was quite strong. If it was a move you just cast on yourself that gave you heroism and only you I would probably agree, however this is a group buff and it was silly to ever limit it to a single class in the first place. Do you enjoy the feeling that you are being brought purely because you provide a thirty second long buff? I certainly wouldn't.
People say that heroism was a defining shaman ability, however when I think of shamans I think of totems, shocks, chain lightning and harnessing the power of the elements, things that the class is actually based around that you use all the time rather than a buff that you use once every ten minutes.
OF COURSE your defining abilites are going to be ones that you have to use. Would you play a frost mage and expect not to cast frostbolt? I don't see how Oneleg can say "No! This ability doesn't define my class because you are supposed to use it!", that just doesn't make any sense to me.
Besides it's not like you're the only people this happens to. Paladins used to be the only people to provide Blessing of Kings. This too is a powerful buff, why is nobody whining that druids now have it too? Because it was really inconvenient.
Just like it was really inconvenient for small, shaman-less guilds that they didn't get heroism.
There really is no reason for anyone to be upset about more than one class having heroism.
Blizzard have even said that they are no longer balancing around the "5% less than pure DPS classes" idea, so that shouldn't be a problem to you.
Shamans are still raiding, just like they always have. Nobody is dropping shamans from their group list now that they no longer bring a buff.