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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by esmifra View Post
    Sadly this, and even Bloodlust has been given away. I understand that there has to be redundancy in buffs but stop trying to trivialize shaman's buffs, if more than 50% of classes can give the same buffs we do, then with our dps being lower than pure dpsers we will never get in a group. Not to mention when I chose a shaman I never expected to every class have the same thing I do, while I don't get anything like them.

    I would prefer to see Bloodlust and similar buffs be scraped entirely from game than to see our best move in WC3 be trivialized this way.
    I was providing a list of things that differentiate the shaman class from other classes because people were whining that we had stolen "the one thing that set their class apart" which is obviously untrue. It wasn't necessarily a list of spells that are useful, but ones that set your class apart from other people's classes.

    People are unreasonably attached to the heroism buff simply because it was quite strong. If it was a move you just cast on yourself that gave you heroism and only you I would probably agree, however this is a group buff and it was silly to ever limit it to a single class in the first place. Do you enjoy the feeling that you are being brought purely because you provide a thirty second long buff? I certainly wouldn't.
    People say that heroism was a defining shaman ability, however when I think of shamans I think of totems, shocks, chain lightning and harnessing the power of the elements, things that the class is actually based around that you use all the time rather than a buff that you use once every ten minutes.

    OF COURSE your defining abilites are going to be ones that you have to use. Would you play a frost mage and expect not to cast frostbolt? I don't see how Oneleg can say "No! This ability doesn't define my class because you are supposed to use it!", that just doesn't make any sense to me.

    Besides it's not like you're the only people this happens to. Paladins used to be the only people to provide Blessing of Kings. This too is a powerful buff, why is nobody whining that druids now have it too? Because it was really inconvenient.
    Just like it was really inconvenient for small, shaman-less guilds that they didn't get heroism.
    There really is no reason for anyone to be upset about more than one class having heroism.

    Blizzard have even said that they are no longer balancing around the "5% less than pure DPS classes" idea, so that shouldn't be a problem to you.
    Shamans are still raiding, just like they always have. Nobody is dropping shamans from their group list now that they no longer bring a buff.

  2. #82
    You seem to think I'm complaining about mages having Bloodlust when I said I understand why.

    What I'm saying is (if you read the topic title) I don't want our buffs to be trivialized, this is, I don't want to almost 50% of classes having the same buffs we do like the op is suggesting.
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  3. #83
    Make Shaman tank, win = win in my book : ).

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by gogozmeq View Post
    You, sir, did not get my point at ALL, just like most of the people here.

    Now I see it was no good posting my idea in the first place, thanks.
    You sir, have a bad idea. Once again, you're thinking in terms of convenience, not role usability. Saying that tanks should have pets that can taunt off and make raids 1 tank encounters might be even more legit then what you're saying.

    You're right, so don't post your ideas on the forums.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by esmifra View Post
    You seem to think I'm complaining about mages having Bloodlust when I said I understand why.

    What I'm saying is (if you read the topic title) I don't want our buffs to be trivialized, this is, I don't want to almost 50% of classes having the same buffs we do like the op is suggesting.
    Maybe I should have quoted Oneleg instead of you, I forgot that you can't nest quotes on this board :V

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oneleg View Post
    Totems LOL, they gave totems to every freaking class

    Weapon imbues? Yeah they are a nice buff, but they are the only thing that lets us compete in the DPS realm, take away flametongue from ele and they would be far below tanks. Take away Windfury and no one would bring enhance, since all of their buffs have been given away since wrath.

    Ghost wolf? Whats that good for? Running back thru the instance after a wipe, CHECK.

    Shocks and Shield spells? Yeah they are nice, but again, the rest of the talents and abilities are structured so that if we dont use them correctly we fail.

    Chain lighting / Heal. You do know that chainheal was nerfed into the ground right? Lightning is just a cleave, lets take away warrior cleaves, blizzard, fan of knives, "pally cleave that escapes me atm" you see where I am going with that right?

    Elementals, yeah they are nice now that they are on a 10 min cooldown, can't be used in arena, can't be used one after the other "cooldown after popping one before you can use the other"


    The only reason shaman were in PvP back in the first 4 seasons of arena was to pop heroism then shamanistic rage and try to be a focus target for 15 sec while everyone else tried to kill off people. Heroism / Bloodlust is a SHAMAN ability, tanks need something, but not my group buff, everything else I had has been given away.
    And when the boss does an awful AoE while your phone rang and because of that you standed in melee and the boss is 1second away from casting you could just cast your instant (if specced, every enhance should spec it tho) ghost wolf and run away.


    And what do you mean with "Totems LOL, they gave totems to every freaking class", wich class has totems except shamans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oneleg View Post
    already bad enough that they gave it to huntards and mages. Both class's pop it the second they start spamming their buttons...

    Heroism / bloodlust has its place in the fight, most "good" shaman know when to use it for the max effect. We don't need another class given an ability that should have stayed with shaman.
    Pretty much this. Its annoying as hell.

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    Most hunters are playing SV now, and they dont get the bloodlust (ancient hysteria) unless they are BM. Mages? Idk. but a healer class can do it. So its not all bad. I guess.

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Imnick View Post
    Obviously only shamans have good players.
    What he's saying is Shaman have had Bloodlust for an upwards of about 4 years now, they are more accustomed as a whole class to understanding the proper uses for Bloodlust. When I play my Shaman I get PISSED when a Mage Time Warps on sub optimal bosses in heroics or improper times in raids.

    If I see them do that I tell them to not press Time Warp as I have a better clue when it's best.

  10. #90
    Give it to death knights, every raid has at least 6 death knights

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pieterman View Post
    Give it to death knights, every raid has at least 6 death knights
    I'm the only death knight in our 25 man raid, you argument is invalid.

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    Gods, please don't even consider giving it to tanks. We're already given enough duties besides tanking in your average retard-filled run.

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    im the most heroic and best looking in the raid as a tank....give us heroism!
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    so take it from sham mage and hunt, and give it to war, paly and druid????

    Dumbest idea i have heard toady.

    While we are at it let take druid forms away from them and give them to rogs and better yet, mages get all of the Lock DoTs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahll View Post
    so take it from sham mage and hunt, and give it to war, paly and druid????

    Dumbest idea i have heard toady.

    While we are at it let take druid forms away from them and give them to rogs and better yet, mages get all of the Lock DoTs.
    Necro.

    This is something to reconsider. In 10 MAN group, we only have a Mage for lust, hunter is Survival right now and we don't want to make him use lust.
    We have no chaman cause, well choices for 10 MEN ...

    Mage is going to stop the game soon, we're just fucked up for HM ToT progress as soon as he leaves.
    So now ? Bring the player not the class eh ?

    We're trying to recruit a chaman for months ! And evenmore, he would'nt have his slot always.

    Give heroism to everyone or noone !

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    Quote Originally Posted by istheshiz View Post
    Let me just say...

    Bloodlust is a signature Warcraft 3 Shaman move.
    Indeed. It should be a single-target auto-cast ability, only given to male orc shamans, who are wielding a fist-weapon and wearing a wolfhead hat.

    Obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nahalya View Post
    Necro.

    This is something to reconsider. In 10 MAN group, we only have a Mage for lust, hunter is Survival right now and we don't want to make him use lust.
    We have no chaman cause, well choices for 10 MEN ...

    Mage is going to stop the game soon, we're just fucked up for HM ToT progress as soon as he leaves.
    So now ? Bring the player not the class eh ?

    We're trying to recruit a chaman for months ! And evenmore, he would'nt have his slot always.

    Give heroism to everyone or noone !
    Why did you necro this useless thread?

    Sorry but .. in no wow universe tanks should ever be given the power of heroism.

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    Or better yet make it a guild level 25 spell, but this version unusable in PvP.

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