Why do people say the community is so bad "these days"?

[serow081]

I've moved on to LOTRO where the general atmosphere is much more relaxed and friendly. Really enhances my play experience overall

[Feralia]

As a previous poster has said, back in Vanilla, the game was new, players were still exploring and working things out, so in general people would help out others.

Also in Vanilla, everyone you associated with was from your server, so in a way you would tend to be a little more respectful to someone that you would most likely run into again.

Other MMO's I have tried that have been new, community have been alot more forgiving and helpful than what WoW is now. Yes there are still trolls, and you can never escape that.

Nowadays, you group with people you will never see again most likely from other servers, there is no server socialising, as everyone groups up via LFD with randoms from all over the servers, so no need to be polite or to not ninja, or not troll as it has no consequence.

Also cause the game is so old now, you have to players who have played since Vanilla, who think that if they know something about the game, everyone should it. That is a big generalisation too btw, not saying its just Vanilla players, but all players really. Instead of getting helpful answers in trade, you would get in return trolls, replying with l2p your class, etc etc.

The game now as I see it, all comes down to, your ilvl and what achieves you have. No achieve, no raid. So then that attidude comes in.

Its not in general a WoW community, Id say any game thats been out for a while, and players have learnt every aspect of the game, and now just gearing up etc, tend to get more rude and less helpful once they have gotten all the help they needed to get where they are.

Its the world of being annoymous. I can guarantee if you created a WoW server and had everyone playing in the same room, after they have all met each other and talked etc, the community would be alot more friendlier. Its easier to troll and be rude to a computer screen with writing on it, than it is trolling to someone irl standing next to you.

[Powerogue]

tbh they've said that since I joined the game in vanilla. I suppose now in cata rather than WotLK morons actually cause you to fail instead of just getting carried, more fights and anger breaks out instead of apathy.

in WotLK, you could honestly expect to complete most pug heroics and some pug raids with 50% undergeared morons. not so now, so there is tension.

[Deleted]

I'm sure that's the excuse some people used to justify it. But I'm sure if you dig through the history books, you might even find real world cases where even in a time of war, the opposing side allowed the enemy to honor the dead. Hell, I'm not even sure Garrosh would attack a funeral, since you know, he does seem to have that "honor" thing going for it. Again, using the "it's a PvP realm, anythign goes" just speak t the lack of honor and intergity some people lack. I'm sure if it was your son or daughter being honored, you'd be totally cool with other people trahing it cause it's funny to them.

Again, this is a beliefs stand point. I believe you've already stated you like to troll. I'm sure people like yourself think it's because you're so much more clever than everyone else and what you do is really cool and funny. May you enjoy the full fruits of your labor.

No because this doesn't stand up at all in practice. You can try and pigeonhole people into groups, but for instance a lot of people who will act badly online behind the veil of some random character will not do the same if it was a real funeral full of family members and friends mourning.

I did have a lot of good experiences with people helping me out when I started the game though, back then WoW was the first MMO I played and I got horribly lost in Dun Morogh(yes I know lol) and a level 40 player came along and guided me to Ironforge.

On the Contrary the way people gank you on PVP realms has always been terrible. For instance if you are a level 20 player I am not sure what having 3+ lvl 40 players come along and kill you proves.

If players ask for advice or similar these days I tend to help them out(I have always been a bit of a carebear), however I never give players money as I once gave a new player 100 gold for his mount only to have him ask me for more money the next day....

[Collegeguy]

My opinion on it is this:

Back in vanilla wow you could raid mc, bwl, aq by doing nothing but spamming one or 2 buttons. The game was incredibly easy compared to what it is today. The real hard part to 40 mans was getting 40 people to understand the mechanics and finding 40 people to actually be there, but you could have people completely brain dead in your raid and it didnt matter because many classes spammed 1 button.

I completed mc, bwl, and aq doing nothing spamming flash heal on my priest. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...tadeath/simple

I am not saying that is necessarily a good or bad thing, but it was true for many classes. Difference is that the game has become more complex as you bring down raid size from 40 to 25. It has to otherwise its not challenge because the only real challenge in vanilla was getting 40 people to show up. Now, raiding with bad, brain dead people isn't fun for some, but it changed the community. The changes in raid, class difficulty filtered a lot of the bad people out of the game almost entirely. Your werent able to raid or pvp(arena) with bad people anymore.

I have to admit I miss raiding with a lot of those types of people. Now you have to raid with elitists to get anything done.

[Mad_Murdock]

its a video game. btw wow great argument calling me a full time troll

Again, we all get that it's a video game. Some of us also get that there is a time and a place for all things. Some folks getting together honoring the passing of a freind should be respected regardless of medium. Whether it's a "PvP server!", Whether it's "just a game" are all arguments certain types of people will used to justify their actions.

Not sure where you got that I called you a full time troll. You stated "you troll alot" It reads as if you were saying that with Pride. Why would anyone be proud that they "troll" people ? What should one get out of your "I troll alot" statement ?

[GennGreymane]

why is it so hard to tune it out for most of u? i find it rather easy.

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Again, I think we all get that it's a video game. Some of us also get that there is a time and a place for all things. Some folks getting together honoring the passing of a freind should be respected regardless of medium. Whether it's a "PvP server!", Whether it's "just a game" are all arguments certain types of people will used to justify their actions.

Not sure where you got that I called you a full time troll. You stated "you troll alot" It reads as if you were saying that with Pride. Why would anyone be proud that they "troll" people ? What should one get out of your "I troll alot" statement ?

tsk tsk
there is nothing u can do about it on a pvp server if some 1 chooses to kill u.
i can tell u have no real arguments if u just want to use the troll card.
am i trolling because im saying "nothing u can do"? if so. wow you do not know what a troll is. maybe this is why ppl are miserable in this game., they think everything is trolling

[Space Troll]

Despite being a pvp realm, the vast majority of members there from both factions were participating as a mark of respect and both were behaving.
It was one guild responsible for ruining the event, so you justifiying it with the excuse of it being a pvp realm is utter rubbish.
It was nothing more than a cowardly act.

The fact they were having a memorial in a zone which was PvP: Contested was dumb. It could have easily been avoided if held in a safe haven.

[Mad_Murdock]

why is it so hard to tune it out for most of u? i find it rather easy.

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tsk tsk
there is nothing u can do about it on a pvp server if some 1 chooses to kill u.
i can tell u have no real arguments if u just want to use the troll card.
am i trolling because im saying "nothing u can do"? if so. wow you do not know what a troll is. maybe this is why ppl are miserable in this game., they think everything is trolling

Hmm, is this suppose to be you trolling me ? You're pretty bad at it if you are.

Where am I using the troll argument ? I've made my argument ? are you not getting it ? I'll say it another way if you like. Let's try this.

The topic we're talking about in specific, is the video of a on-line funeral being invaded, disrupted, interfered with (whatever term you like) by a group of people who's sole intent is to ruin that event. This was not just some random horde members riding around, saw some alliance and opted to attack. A Taruen even stated "nice day for a funeral". Which shows they knew exaclty what was going on and that this was all planned.

Most people who's been raised with a certain level of respect for their fellow Humans, would not set out to "crash\trash" a funeral\memorial service. Regardless of whether it's just a game or whether they even liked said peson. My belief and I'm sure it's shared by many many others is this particular act is at a minimum tacky, tastless, not amuzing and I'm sure most mature adults, would have even stronger words of disgust for such things.

You have already stated that it's "just a game" and that it's a PvP server, which strongly implies that you find such behavior completely normal and acceptable. I contend that you are in the minority with that view, not just in the world of Warcraft, but across the entire gaming world and the world in general.

My argument is, that the attitude that because it was a PvP server, that this kinda behavoir is completely acceptable, is in itself a huge part of the "community's" problem. Again, I'm talking about a set of standards that all people should have instilled in them and a set of standards that they live by regardless of whether it's "online" on in real life.

[Paulosio]

I played in Vanilla too and I do think there is far more trolling, rudeness and stupidity now than back then... Call it nostalgia / rose tinted spectacles etc but I don't think so.

[nekobaka]

A lot less fail and dbags in dungeons in vanilla and now omg when I decided to level another toon and did some dungeon on the lower levels I wanted to /cut myself, it wasnt the this is my first toon players that was so much of a problem, it was the lol faceroll im a dps and its not my fault for pulling five packs and you not pulling off aggro or keeping me up which lead to a wipe mentality that wasnt there before.

[Narshe]

I think it's funny that people try to argue that anal jokes are worse than something like this. I started playing at the end of Vanilla and the community still sucked. It's just proportions like others have said. The number of total players has gone up so of course the number of assholes will also rise.

Anyone who tries to argue that the Vanilla community was full of nice people and everyone was friendly is just ODing on nostalgia.

Too many people who play "at the end of vanilla" think they have a say in the way the game was perceived back then. Playing the game a few months before TBC came out doesnt entitle your type to downplay how REAL vanilla players feel.

[Pascal]

First of all, nearly everything you said was wrong, and I think you just didn't pay attention. Bads still got in guilds. People with bad reputations still got in guilds, ninja's still got in guilds.

Second, anal jokes came with patch 2.4.3(Or was it just 2.4? I forget), when linking spells became possible. So you a kinda right.

Maybe your server was different, but the guilds on my server didn't allow members to act like dicks in general/trade or in groups. If word got out that a member was misbehaving and giving the guild a bad name, they were removed. This isn't a figment of my imagination, this really was the case. If a second guild member was present during such a situation, they would generally report it to their guild and have them kicked on the spot to prove a point.

You could not get away with ninjaing like you can not. No, really, this isn't "wrong", this really actually happened. I don't know what server you were on in Vanilla, but if you had ninja'd before and were LFG in a city, people would pretty much always say "don't invite <soandso>, he's a ninja. ask <thisguy> or <thisguild>." Guilds would DEFINITELY not invite people who were ninjas.

This all actually happened. Maybe you were on a server with an imbalanced number of jackasses, but it was pretty easy to be blacklisted for being a douche on mine.