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    Quote Originally Posted by plasm View Post
    What I am saying you can add the balance tier legs to the "list" to help manage the haste cap
    The legs are part of a set, you shouldnt be switching out a set, and anyway if your really that desperate for haste spend your valor on something else, i'd say the 4set was far more important when you factor in its basically 125 more spirit on every resto gear setpiece. you can get your haste from other places and once your at 2005, you dont really need any more.

    It may be itemised but they are not BiS for a setup

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    i have the DMC, alch stone, and the Jar from mal

    What 2 should i use?

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    DMC and Alch stone

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    Thanks

    If i ever get my hands on the dolly, would it replace either of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heringer91 View Post
    Thanks

    If i ever get my hands on the dolly, would it replace either of them?
    Depends on the fight. If you find that you need more mana regen you can switch the alchemist stone for the doll. Otherwise stick with the alchemist stone.

    You won't switch out your DMC until you can get shard of woe from sinestra and heroic fall of mortality from H Cho'gall.

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    thanks to both of yah !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heringer91 View Post
    Thanks

    If i ever get my hands on the dolly, would it replace either of them?
    Doll would replace Alch. Besides Shard off Sin, Doll is BiS, followed by:
    DMC:T
    FoM(off chogall)
    Core(VP)
    Tear of Blood(yes, the blue)
    Alch stone
    Jar
    Few more blues(with passive int)
    Mandala
    Rest of blues

    The reason is we want as much regen from trinkets as we can get. When looking at the whole picture, these trinkets are better than things like the alch stone because eventually, you want to be able to spec out of regen talents and/or grab stats other stats when reforging or picking up other gear.

    I have mostly BiS gear and I have been able to drop a point in furor and Malfs Gift without a problem and was able to add them to better places and this is in later HMs(all we have left to kill is council 25HM =[ ) And I've tried with other trinks, just wont happen.

    Doll vs Alch: looking at everything (int + replen, how much the pocs lead to at the end of a fight, etc)
    Doll: 374 mp5 + 4815 mana + 321int
    Alch: 81 mp5 +5265 mana + 351int + 194 haste

    Now, if you need that haste to stay at cap, I'd keep the Alch stone. But you want to get to a point where you don't need it.
    Last edited by Myrrar; 2011-04-07 at 06:52 PM.

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    well im at about 1270~ haste (i'm only 9/12), and around 2200 spi

    with the jar and the alch stone i don't usually have any mana problems

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...lent/secondary

    im in my balance gear, but my spec is there. When i drop the jar will i take a huge regen hit? even tho the DMC has the spi proc on it as well?

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    Probably not.

    DMC: 324mp5, 4815 mana
    Jar: 461mp5

    You probably wont even see the difference really and your heals will be healing for more too with DMC.

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    New ZA/ZG gear

    Head -
    Amani Headdress - ZA : Daakara

    Shoulders -
    Feathers of Akil'Zon - ZA : Akil'Zon

    Back -
    Spiritcaller Cloak - ZG : Trash Drop BoE

    Chest -
    Vestments of the Soulflayer - ZG : Jin'do

    Wrists -
    Armbands of the Bear Spirit - ZA : Nalorakk

    Hands -
    T'wansi's Handwraps - ZA : Quest - The Hexlord's Fetish

    Legs -
    Leggings of the Pride - ZG : High Priestess Kilnara

    Feet -
    Two-Toed Boots - ZA : Nalorakk Timed Chest

    Ring -
    Signet of Venoxis - ZG : High Priest Venoxis
    Soul Drain Signet - ZA : Hexlord Malacrass

    Mainhand -
    Amani Scepter of Rites - ZG : Daakara
    Voodoo Hexblade - ZA : Jan'alai Timed Chest

    Offhand -
    Lost Bad of Whammies - ZA : Edge of Madness

    Stave -
    Legacy of Arlokk - ZG : Jin'do

    I think that's all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frostybeef View Post
    New ZA/ZG gear

    Head -
    Amani Headdress - ZA : Daakara

    Shoulders -
    Feathers of Akil'Zon - ZA : Akil'Zon

    Back -
    Spiritcaller Cloak - ZG : Trash Drop BoE

    Chest -
    Vestments of the Soulflayer - ZQ : Jin'do

    Wrists -
    Armbands of the Bear Spirit - ZA : Nalorakk

    Hands -
    T'wansi's Handwraps - ZA : Quest - The Hexlord's Fetish

    Legs -
    Leggings of the Pride - ZG : High Priestess Kilnara

    Feet -
    Two-Toed Boots - ZA : Nalorakk Timed Chest

    Ring -

    Signet of Venoxis - ZG : High Priest Venoxis
    Soul Drain Signet - ZA : Hexlord Malacrass

    Mainhand -
    Amani Scepter of Rites - ZG : Daakara
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=69591 - ZA : Jan'alai Timed Chest

    Offhand -
    Lost Bad of Whammies - ZA : Edge of Madness

    Stave -
    Legacy of Arlokk - ZG : Jin'do

    I think that's all of them.
    ty I'll update this in the morning. Hopefully I remember .___.

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    I disagree that the jar is that low on the list. I think that heroic jar is worth it over the alchy trinket for example. The spirit is above the int that the other trinkets give, I currently use heroic jar and darkmoon card and have no mana troubles

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    If you need jar to not have mana problems you are doing something wrong. Alch thrink is also low on our list due to no regen proc/on-use, but the int/socket still puts it above Jar.

    You should not need a pure regen trinket and you will not end up healing more with it even if you heal incorrectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrar View Post
    If you need jar to not have mana problems you are doing something wrong. Alch thrink is also low on our list due to no regen proc/on-use, but the int/socket still puts it above Jar.

    You should not need a pure regen trinket and you will not end up healing more with it even if you heal incorrectly.
    The more spirit frees up space in your equiptment for more haste crit and mastery and that increases your healing that plus the 7k mana on use makes it better than most int based trinks. it is #2 or 3 bis

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael4019 View Post
    The more spirit frees up space in your equiptment for more haste crit and mastery and that increases your healing that plus the 7k mana on use makes it better than most int based trinks. it is #2 or 3 bis
    That is simply not true. Intellect provides mp5 through Replenishment, Revitalize and Innervate making it a very good regen stat for resto druids in addition to throughput. That is why Jar ranks so low.

    No secondary stat is worth sacrificing intellect for (with the exception of haste breakpoints, but those can be reached without Jar).

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    As emni said, it's the same kind of thing with heartsong vs power torrent. The int far outweighs spi since it gives SP, crit, and regen.

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    I don't mean to bump an old thread but why is "*[Helm of the Blind Seer] Atramedes: BWD" BiS? It makes no sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ponens View Post
    I don't mean to bump an old thread but why is "*[Helm of the Blind Seer] Atramedes: BWD" BiS? It makes no sense to me.
    I'm actually...not sure. It's never been considered BiS even when the debate about which 4 pieces work together best. I must have mis typed or something. Fixed it.

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    Myrrar you should update this Bis list. Sets from justice vendor can be bought, gear from Thralls quest line and such. :/
    Thanks anyhow, got some info from it

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    Would love to see this list updated with 4.3 items from the new 5mans

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